If you wish to get rid of the establishment

The Constitution called for limited government

You must get rid of the constitution

We don't have much of that.

No such thing as limited government

The constitution is fine it was made before corruption was a part of government

There is. A government with limits

No state can be limited\

A state encompasses everything it has authority over

The Constitution was made so the government could function with corruption. So that the people could have time to remove that corruption. We have become complacent

And guess what happened

If you want a place where the State runs you, North korea China.

The state grew over it

Because there is no such thing as limited government

Government will always be authoritarian

There is. The people have to play their part.

Once they grow complacent, It is gone.

The people love authority

The Constitution isn't bad but it needs some renovations because it's obsolete in some aspects

That is why the Separation of Powers have allowed for us to awaken.

Its not complacency its a wish to action

When the people want action

We have had time to see what was going on

The state will grow to help them

If we have a Monarcy where decreses could be made by Stalins and Lenin, we might have had not time.

Bruh who cares

Nobody cares about constitution the same thing will happen

The people who want Separation of Power

It delays the corruption from causing death and destruction.

delay doesnt stop anything

It gives the people time to act

When people act it always ends in Fascism or communism

Not necessarily

Not liberalism or capitalism

Revolutionary War,

200+ years ago

This is old news

But it still happened.

That doesn't matter. It still happened.

Led by freemasons

Congrats i guess

Freemasons were a rebellion that became more powerful

Freemasons are hellbent

They were a rebellion against the establishment before they establlished themselves

You should study them deeper

I don't approve them necessarily

You obviously do if you idolize their political ideals

But the establishment at the time did not like them.

What do you mean by freemason ideas

Classical liberalism

So what do you mean by Classical Liberalism

Pretty obvious

Limited government and free markets

My grandfather was part of the Freemason Society, but he was a Republican

No, be specific, you have been troublesome in your definition

Yes. Limited Government and Free Market.

It's so cringe that GOP only 8 years ago had Mitt Romney running for office. And 12 years ago McCain. Wtf...

Doesn't matter if freemasons did it, they were good ideas.

Hitler can say 2 + 2 = 4 and it would be true. Attack the idea not the people

Einstein can say 2 + 2 = 5 and he would be wrong.

Limited government is a horrendous idea

Many Nazis believed 1 + 1 = 2. They used it to craft their machines.

If believing 1 + 1 =2 means I'm a Nazi, then by that definition, separated from other terms, I am one.

because there is no such thing

That's not true. Government that is Limited does exist. You say it is wrong because governments seek more power.

But they still have a limited state.

Name one

Mauritius

The United States Federal Government still has limits to what it can do. There are certain things it cannot do without either braking the law, or loosing too much consent from the people.

Even the CPP has to use "relief valve techniques"

Didnt you just get done saying how the federal government is out of control or something

But it still has limits

Sorry fam, but they break the law anyway. Ain't no limits

And 200 years ago, it was in a more limited states

No.

Limits do not matter if they are not used

There are. Revolutionary War happened after the British Government overstepped

exactly

There are limits that any government must abide by in order to keep the support of the people.

Government doesnt have to follow its own rules lol

No

Yes.

We have had revolts. They break the contract, they die.

And the people will again when they see how our government has overstepped. THe government has STILL overstepped it's boundaries, which begs the question: did the limit ever really matter?

If the people support the government overstepping their limits it does not have to abide by those limits

LARP

I just saw something about freemasons

The government has noot overstepped limits if the people have not set them.

I likey

Thats the real issue

Democracy puts the responsibility of many thigns into the people. If things are fucked, it is because of you.

Or whoever is participating

Everyone thought they were gone once the freemasons in russia were exposed but nooooopw

Not a king. Not a queen.

Regular citizens. Responsible for the fate

If things got terrible, it is because many put up with it.

The threshold for that should be set as high as possible.

1 corruption sould not doom everyone else

Something my father said and I 100% agree with: If your vote truly mattered, it would have been outlawed long ago. In that wikileak, there is evidence of fraud in the *2008* election, which means that fraud has happened for much longer than most know about

Yes, and people know.

We need more integrity or else legitimacy points go down.