Message from @John O -
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@John O - That I'd agree with. Everything is fine up to the point of cohabitation.
That's what I'm saying, though. I, and many other young people like me spend well beyond 40 hours at work every week. I don't have time every day to spend with people who don't live in my house. Before I marry a woman, I want a trial period of at least a year under the same roof so that I can get to know them as well as possible. Spending two or three days together a week isn't nearly enough.
Please excuse the typos, I'm using voice to text
I'm gonna have to agree with John on this one
I don't see how it's immoral per say
I absolutely see how it's immoral, however, it's an unfortunate reality of the times we live in
Yeah the cost of a wedding and then buying a house combined is insane
Huh?
Weddings don't have to be expensive. Lots of fantastic ways to save.
At least where I live if you want a good wedding its probably at least 15k, then if you want a house in a good town/neighborhood its at least 300k
My parents got married in a park for next to nothing
yeah how do we avoid the wedding ((()))
Everyone has their own preference, but I would like my friends and family to be there.
@SamanthaM again, I just want to stress that you are correct, cohabitating is immoral, I just don't see a way around it
Major cost is the reception. Holding it at someone's home is a great way to save on that expense.
Pretty sure the wedding is expensive as *you* make it
unless you need a church or what not for religious stuffs
@John O - It's tough. Sin in the modern world is almost unavoidable.
Im glad ive found people who agree that living together isnt wholesome
redpill me on how it's a sin
@Deleted User because it leads to premarital sex
Some couples who live together are basically married but without the formality
*most
eh, I guess I can see that
Putting yourself in situations where someone you love is sleeping right next to you = premarital sex
Which is avoidable
I don't know, man, if I'm living with a girl, I'm not going to pull the fifties married couple different bed shit
that was only in movies
if youre married, I think youre allowed to
I know. I was just pointing out an example
Ignoring the religious aspect, this article points out some detrimental statistics concerning cohabitation. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mylordandmyblog.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/seven-reasons-why-living-together-before-marriage-is-not-a-good-idea/amp/
ok thanks
@SamanthaM All of the things he mentions are correlations but I see no proof that living together causes those problems. People who live together do so for many reasons. Some have a more liberal attitude regarding relationships and are therefore more likely to divorce. But that doesn't mean living together causes divorce. Or any of the other problems like violence or alcohol problems.
It's not necessarily *living together.* It's *living together before marriage.* Marriage is a a responsibility, like anything else. What the results are pointing to is that people who do not take this responsibility seriously are more likely to be irresponsible in other matters.
I was also thinking that people on the lower rungs of society are more likely to cohabitate for economic reasons
so just by shear numbers of the type of people who cohabitate first can add to those numbers
if that made sense
I agree with the general perception that, if a woman lives together with a man, doesn't marry him and then tries to continue dating she is seen as sullied, in the trad worldview at least.
@SamanthaM Exactly. That's correlation, not causality. If a responsible couple decides to live together without being married for whatever reason, they won't become more likely to have negative consequences just for that reason. The same as just because irresponsible couple gets married, doesn't mean they will stop drinking or being irresponsible.
One piece of advice gentlemen. If you break up with a girl, make her a complete stranger. No contact. Delete on line photos immediately. Delete her contact information and look forward completely. In addition once you get serious with a woman, drop all female friends. Don’t ever allow yourself to be in a room alone with another woman, even at work if you can.