Message from @Chalin
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Most modern Christians do not take the old testament as fact
Too much of it contradicts known science and history, and there's just too many contradictions
The new testament is less inconsistent, and better follows the beliefs of modern Christianity
There's some stuff that breaks science, like Jesus turning water into wine, but it's easier to accept that Jesus can defy the laws of creation from time to time than it is to accept the Creationist belief of how the universe was created based upon the litteral interpretation of genesis
When modern science is far more consistent than the old testament
That's a lot of contradictions. You know if the bible was never changed from how it was originally revealed, there would have been no need for the Quran, by Muslim beliefs at least
I believe his ability to turn water into wine was *supposed* to contradict science, to prove him
Along with his other abilities
Yeah, as I said
If Jesus was God on Earth, or even a prophet who acted on behalf of God, of course he'd be able to violate natural law to prove his divine nature
I know a creationist who believes the Earth was formed 5000 years ago. But he also has a masters degree in environmental sciences and he's seen trees that are 6000 years old. I have no comment to that
Yeah
top kek
It sounds like you were going to add a "but"
A "but" to what?
Jesus:
"I'm gonna prove my divinity by doing impossible stuff"
*does impossible stuff*
I don't believe Jesus and the miracles, but it isn't remotely absurd for someone who does believe in Jesus's divinity to believe that he did those things
Oh, I get it
Yeahhh
Hahaha
If you believe in the strange, it's not surprising that the strange would do something strange
Exactly
Yeahh I get that
I do like New Testament Christian values, even if I don't believe Jesus was actually some divine being or profit
What do you believe he was
Some spiritual leader amongst the Jews in the Roman province of Palestine. Some dude who taught good morals, and lived an acetic lifestyle
But got crucified because the Romans didn't like the Jews flocking around this guy
Hmm
Your beliefs tend to parallel Abrahamic beliefs more or less, but you're not really Christian, Muslim or Jewish
I'm somewhere between atheistic and agnostic
I find it hard to believe that Jesus was 100% made up, contrary to what a lot of hardcore atheists like to believe
A religion doesn't just spawn from nothing
Yeah especially of this caliber
If you want a religion based on falsehoods, I'd turn to Mormonism or scientology
The former is more controversial
I don't actually have an issue with the Mormon church itself
I could never be a Mormon
Nor could I