Message from @Pelagius
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I would say, it is important to properly understand it to better understand what may work and why, and what not and why.
I believe it is a mistake to ditch everything that NS used or said or did just because it failed.
It's like that thing about not wearing pants because Hitler used to wear pants and he "failed".
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Indeed he used religion as a mere tool, which means that it's fake
It is misinformation, and I do not know why people here do it: NS lost the war because of big strategy decisions, not because NS had a socialist tinge, not because of Christianity, , etc.
He'd have used what ever religion was popular without believing in it
No, using something as a tool does not mean that that something is fake
a lot like Brett Stevens wants to do with Christianity
it may or may not be fake
We know he didn't like Christianity from his other statements
Sure.
yet claimed to be Christian, and in favour of Christianity
where does he claim to be Christian?
He claims Germans are Christian, and that Christianity is important to Germans.
A tool is a tool, when you see it from a high level.
some people cannot deal with it when it comes to religions
they cannot deal with this important conceptualization of leaders
Then again, maybe it was a mistake to try and use Christianity
maybe it was his downfall
```I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.```
Is this afake quote?
Probably not.
But... you should take such claims of Catholicism by esoteric-minded people with a grain of salt.
@Hagel , in respect to such quotes, as a collection, the particular source and context is important. The detective work is to understand how they match together, and not jump to a "FAKE!" conclusion just because a superficial discrepancy is noted.
number 5 sounds plausible
Read *Mein Kampf* and tell me how Christian and/or Catholic he comes off.
Read the memories of his childhood friend, and tell me how Christian and/or Catholic he comes off.
Even in his pro-Christian statements later on, or his attributed quotes, they seem rather functional in scope (Christianity as a positive application, etc.).
He's not very Christian at all
And he is correct in some of his criticisms of it
And also in how Germans mutated it into a more tolerable thing
Exactly.
Real Politik demands strategy. You work with what you have.
A tragedy is only a tragedy, not an accomplishment.
If he went around dressed as Wotan and attempting to make a rebirth of druidic or whatever traditions happen, he would've been laughed at from day 1.
I don't believe in mobilizing the blind quantity of people, but in cultivating quality
A small reich of high quality is better than a large reich of poor quality
Idealistic, but not realistic.
the hordes will overrun your high-quality reich.
On the contrary, it is what is realistic
that is the problem
Most people have to be left behind
I agree.
But that plan may work in the course of hundreds or thousands of years.
National Socialism simply wanted to turn the tide.
The strategy failed, and perhaps that "by quantity" focus was the problem, as you say.
It is what works in thousands of years, but not in decades
The opposite approach seems effective in the short term, but ends up changing nothing in the long term
Nazi victory would have assured one thing: The survival of the race
but it wouldn't have done much else