It’s seems to have a lack of numbers

any subject

How many individuals helped

OK, I found the actual part in Hilberg's book. It's on page 289. What you posted is not a direct quote.

Nowhere does Hilberg say that you should subtract these members from the overall number of people operating

Do you assert every person was a combatant

This does count indigenous units no?

probably not the female employees and the administration, but the rest I see no reason for them not to be combatants

As auxiliary

no this doesn't count indigenous units, this is the core Einsatzgruppen unit. Indigeneous units were additional to this

“They rounded the Lithuanians, Estonians, Latvians and Ukrainians as auxiliary police”

Maybe I’m missing something

But that say “auxiliary police” in the graph

oh, yes, the auxillary police included in that calculation are

but there were other indigenous people that assisted the Einsatzgruppen as well

Such as?

the holocaustcontroversies link I sent earlier talks about them

Which one

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2008/10/how-many-perpetrators-in-ussr-part_04.html

Yeah I read that

But it doesn’t mention how many?

It could’ve been 10 or 10,000

I'm looking through the Einsatzgruppen OSRs right now to see if any have an exact number for people assisting them, none do yet, but so far several say that the Wehrmacht is cooperating and that local people have also been engaging in pogroms and killings

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-einsatzgruppen-operation-situation-reports you can look at them yourself here

“again and again it has been observed in the larger cities that after such an action, all Jews have indeed been eradicated. But, when after a certain period of time a Kommando returns, the number of Jews still found in the city always surpasses considerably the number of executed Jews.”

????

What

“The mood was also influenced by the deportaion of Jews, Gypsies and Krimchacks from the Crimea during the period under report. The unfounded fear that the Germans would exterminate the entire population had subsided entirely a few weeks after the occupation of the Crimea. “

in other words, "we thought we got all of them, but we really didn't"

So where they deporting them or killing them?

“Surpass considerably”

Pretty shitty executioners

The Einsatzgruppen themselves were death squads, but that doesn't mean that there weren't also deportations from the east. It doesn't say that it was the Einsatzgruppe conducting those deportations.

So they were deporting then just to kill them

the report doesn't specify where they were deported so I can't answer that

On that note I need to really sleep

We’ll continue this tomorrow

good night

can we expect leaks soon?

@The_Don_73 If you read the Irving v Lipstadt trial decision, it says that the defendants case was that "approximately one million Jews were murdered by the use of gas at [Auschwitz.]" And when read in context Lipstadt is talking about the Soviet's statements regarding what was happening in Auschwitz. I've never read the full book and google books preview doesn't give access to the full book, so I can't say whether or not she provides an alternative number elsewhere. But certainly by at least 2000 when the case was decided she had changed her views, if she had originally believed the death toll to be four million. It's very possible she made a mistake.
Also, in *Denying the Holocaust,* she calls Raul Hilberg the "premier historian in this field." Hilberg provides a death toll of 1.1 million for Auschwitz, agreeing with Höss's death toll provided in 1946, as well as Reitlinger. Western historical consensus has been this number for a very long time. Historians who cite a different number fall outside of this consensus.

Gilbert is mostly known for his official biography of Churchill. I've never read any of his work on the Holocaust and I don't think he's considered to be a prominent Holocaust scholar. Again, like Lipstadt, he's talking about the Soviet's initial discovery of the camps. Looking at the pages provided by Google Book's preview, Gilbert cites Hilberg as a person he was grateful for in his acknowledgments, and also cites *The Destruction of the European Jews* in the main text.

Either way, neither of these two examples discredit the general claim that western historians have rejected the 4 million number. Exceptions do not disprove the rule.