Message from Faticati in Subverse #debate


2018-09-08 15:15:53 UTC  

I disagree that income tax should be impossible under the preamble, however there was a big question of direct tax amongst the founding fathers

2018-09-08 15:16:51 UTC  

It was s controversial issue early on and had not been used for a quite some time after the Constitution

2018-09-08 15:17:32 UTC  

Fdr fucked my country up bad I want the old deal back

2018-09-08 15:18:09 UTC  

The one where hard work and intelligence is rewarded and everything else is allowed to take its natural course

2018-09-08 15:18:16 UTC  

He did set some dangerous precedents

2018-09-08 15:18:23 UTC  

If I choose to lay my life down and help the downtrodden that is my decision but if I am expected to sacrifice my intellect and body for the good of another they can take them both and simply consume my rotting corpse because i will die before being a slave to any man

2018-09-08 15:19:24 UTC  

In response to what particular scenario?

2018-09-08 15:21:33 UTC  

40% taxes things like that

2018-09-08 15:22:25 UTC  

You expect me to live under the assumption only 60% of the fruits of my labor are mine?

2018-09-08 15:24:17 UTC  

All I want is to live and die by my own will and capacity

2018-09-08 15:28:25 UTC  

If the military is ok with working Ill pay them if the cops will work ill pay them if the government wants to make roads ill pay for that ill even pay judges and other elected officials but im not gonna pay someone to do nothing sorry

2018-09-08 15:29:19 UTC  

I'm not asking you to

2018-09-08 15:30:07 UTC  

Course new deal somewhat goes along with that logic

2018-09-08 15:31:04 UTC  

There was some good that came out of that, but an overreaching president is bad for the long run

2018-09-08 15:31:35 UTC  

Course we rarely talk about Congress decades ago

2018-09-08 15:32:02 UTC  

The ones typically adding on to the budget and passing these omnibus bills

2018-09-08 15:32:32 UTC  

Both Democrats and Republicans sign off on all these wasteful programs

2018-09-08 15:33:26 UTC  

Asking for taxes to be spent effeceintly and carefully is definitely a high priority

2018-09-08 15:34:43 UTC  

Especially something that has to be considered about social programs is that we have to deal with the debt first

2018-09-08 15:48:27 UTC  

Almost like allowing politicians to steal people’s money and give it to others in exchange for votes is bad

2018-09-08 15:57:30 UTC  

And dont get me started on copyright law

2018-09-08 17:39:08 UTC  

Just had an interesting conversation with a factory owner I know.

2018-09-08 17:39:37 UTC  

It seems most of the upper middle class support Trump

2018-09-08 17:40:39 UTC  

He had a rather interesting success story about how he started off as a car cleaner man

2018-09-08 17:40:48 UTC  

The government shouldn’t regulate shit

2018-09-08 17:41:15 UTC  

The market can and will remove bad actors if they are not propped up by the government

2018-09-08 17:43:11 UTC  

Lets say copyright didn’t exist that first man movie comes out somebody films and cuts in the flag planting and bam the two products can sell on their own merits and the studio still has the first to market advantage which should be the only advantage

2018-09-08 17:43:52 UTC  

From what he told me, a lot of people like him find the Republican Party

2018-09-08 17:44:04 UTC  

*fund

2018-09-08 17:44:42 UTC  

He talked about it like it was an investment, rather intriguing

2018-09-08 17:45:28 UTC  

Everything is an investment of time and assets

2018-09-08 17:48:52 UTC  

I certainly don’t agree with corporate donations but speaking with him, brought me the realisation that a lot of these people were once at the bottom of society and they have grown accustomed to their newfound positions.

2018-09-08 17:54:10 UTC  

Yeah like hard work pays off

2018-09-08 18:09:21 UTC  

The upper middle class are what the left would call "class traitors"

2018-09-08 18:15:10 UTC  

I dont find my meaning in a class structure I am an individual and wish to be treated as such

2018-09-08 18:16:20 UTC  

If others do not wish to be treated as individuals thats fine but they are not gonna rope me into their bs

2018-09-08 18:26:24 UTC  

Well actually know that I think about it. Would a factory owner be upper middle class, or lower upper class

2018-09-08 18:26:33 UTC  

God... questions

2018-09-08 18:34:18 UTC  

Depends on his income

2018-09-08 18:37:03 UTC  

Well he has 125 employees

2018-09-08 18:37:22 UTC  

So must be pretty high but not super high