Message from ExceptionalFeather in Subverse #debate

2018-09-08 15:04:02 UTC  

Even though i give 10% of all that I make to charity and some months more than that I am still forced to give more and I will never see a return on the money I give

2018-09-08 15:04:11 UTC  

Complaining about taxes because of threat of a gun isn't a great argument

2018-09-08 15:04:32 UTC  

We choose to live in a place with taxes we are agreeing to pay those taxes

2018-09-08 15:05:09 UTC  

The better argument is how much taxes and fighting the bad spending

2018-09-08 15:05:22 UTC  

I am fighting bad spending

2018-09-08 15:05:32 UTC  

Im ok paying for things that I use

2018-09-08 15:05:45 UTC  

Better yet is arguing for most social programs to be state or local

2018-09-08 15:06:29 UTC  

Federal government is only responsible for international issues like military and diplomacy

2018-09-08 15:07:46 UTC  

Im saying social programs are an infringement of individual liberties telling a mother & father to care for the kid they made by willfully fucking is just telling people to not be irresponsible leeches

2018-09-08 15:08:52 UTC  

Social programs are fine but if we had them on a state level at least we could choose which ones we want by leaving to another state

2018-09-08 15:09:33 UTC  

And if there is misuse of funds the people responsible aren't a thousand miles away

2018-09-08 15:10:38 UTC  

I disagree

2018-09-08 15:11:26 UTC  

I didn’t choose to be born in NJ and frankly I don’t wanna pay for someone else its unconstitutional

2018-09-08 15:11:42 UTC  

You choose to stay there

2018-09-08 15:12:13 UTC  

Doesn’t change the constitution

2018-09-08 15:12:43 UTC  

What part of the Constitution?

2018-09-08 15:12:45 UTC  

And I’m referring to the preamble

2018-09-08 15:13:12 UTC  

It makes disgusting things like income tax theoretically impossible

2018-09-08 15:13:38 UTC  

But power corrupts

2018-09-08 15:15:53 UTC  

I disagree that income tax should be impossible under the preamble, however there was a big question of direct tax amongst the founding fathers

2018-09-08 15:16:51 UTC  

It was s controversial issue early on and had not been used for a quite some time after the Constitution

2018-09-08 15:17:32 UTC  

Fdr fucked my country up bad I want the old deal back

2018-09-08 15:18:09 UTC  

The one where hard work and intelligence is rewarded and everything else is allowed to take its natural course

2018-09-08 15:18:16 UTC  

He did set some dangerous precedents

2018-09-08 15:18:23 UTC  

If I choose to lay my life down and help the downtrodden that is my decision but if I am expected to sacrifice my intellect and body for the good of another they can take them both and simply consume my rotting corpse because i will die before being a slave to any man

2018-09-08 15:19:24 UTC  

In response to what particular scenario?

2018-09-08 15:21:33 UTC  

40% taxes things like that

2018-09-08 15:22:25 UTC  

You expect me to live under the assumption only 60% of the fruits of my labor are mine?

2018-09-08 15:24:17 UTC  

All I want is to live and die by my own will and capacity

2018-09-08 15:28:25 UTC  

If the military is ok with working Ill pay them if the cops will work ill pay them if the government wants to make roads ill pay for that ill even pay judges and other elected officials but im not gonna pay someone to do nothing sorry

2018-09-08 15:29:19 UTC  

I'm not asking you to

2018-09-08 15:30:07 UTC  

Course new deal somewhat goes along with that logic

2018-09-08 15:31:04 UTC  

There was some good that came out of that, but an overreaching president is bad for the long run

2018-09-08 15:31:35 UTC  

Course we rarely talk about Congress decades ago

2018-09-08 15:32:02 UTC  

The ones typically adding on to the budget and passing these omnibus bills

2018-09-08 15:32:32 UTC  

Both Democrats and Republicans sign off on all these wasteful programs

2018-09-08 15:33:26 UTC  

Asking for taxes to be spent effeceintly and carefully is definitely a high priority

2018-09-08 15:34:43 UTC  

Especially something that has to be considered about social programs is that we have to deal with the debt first

2018-09-08 15:48:27 UTC  

Almost like allowing politicians to steal people’s money and give it to others in exchange for votes is bad

2018-09-08 15:57:30 UTC  

And dont get me started on copyright law

2018-09-08 17:39:08 UTC  

Just had an interesting conversation with a factory owner I know.