but as I said taxation should be reasonable

in fact we should incourage people to invest into local economy

not punishing them for being wise

I said NOT MORE than 40%

!!!!

Astral you can already claim your expenses here in NZ

and in fact return some money

what I'm saying is

is I'm as a business owner

feel tax pressure

I will have to do one of these things:
- Move to a better economic climate
- Cut staff
- Stop hiring people
- Decrease quality of products or services

go away commies

not paying for you!

>:-E

Ask your corrup govt and multinational corporations

xD

How about people can choose which initiative to support?

if they believe they need better roads - they can support it

I don't want to pay others

but I want a good roads and good infrastructure

geez

also look at our members of parliament wages!

Citizen ok! do you believe private companies should take care of it?

please explain

I'm not trying to argue

I'm trying to find some sort of common sense

oh heck no

I never siad they are the best

in fact they are bloody $#@% here

especially our new government

Coco I'm not supporting carbon tax!

I was talking about other taxes

like income tax

in fact I'm against Capital Gain Tax

so

Citizen so the question is still.....how to develop and maintain infrastructure

without govt?

capitalism works perfectly fine.....the problem is we have no capitalism anymore. It's called Oligarchism!

not at all

not even close

Astral the flow of wealth to the top is exactly because of lobbyists and oligarchs...it's when big corps can influence govt decisions

it's nothing to do with the capitalism itself

sadly small and medium businesses are those who suffer

Google, Microsoft etc are fine

^ of course Citizen

well if I'm a business owner am I a corrupt capitalist who must be punished?

Whether you like him or not (don't care really)...but I agree with Robert Kiyosaki - small and medium businesses (middle class) always pay for everyone...

Why a hardworking person should pay for those who are lazy and don't wanna work

We had such thing in NZ

govt payed for every child you have

so some smart people only breed

and didn't work

you can have 5 kids and be sweet

how fair is that?

not just that Astral.....they can influence govt decisions via lobbyists

so maybe the problem is not with ordinary business owners
but those who influence govt...and ALSO! corrupt govt involved in such prcatices

^ ?

^ Agree!

^ NO!

I don't know any...ANY govt at this stage who I would trust

sorry

Look at NZ...already "helping"

I know what they should do.....tax Xbox buyers lol 😄 😄

well they forced us with plastic bags

🤷

it's not like we had a referendum

they just silly

I'll tell you something guys

our govt increased a min wage to 17.50 (and they are planning to increase it more)
as soon as they have done this...all utility companies increased their prices too
now we pay more for house insurance, security company, internet etc. etc.

people are just...dum-dum

while you can use cash - enjoy folks!

^ it's a personal choice Tam! Nothing wrong with it if it's not forced onto someone

people believe in whatever they want to believe

xD

but I would rather believe in lizards on the moon than the govt does good for us 😄

cute kitty

of course....let's bash him for that!

😄

Icke has some interesting thoughts/content...apart from lizards

It seems like some people do, Tam

How Churches relate to God, tam?

To some - yes

but to some - govt is a God and shepherd

I can't be responsible for "some"

@Tam in the first place "church" is a congregation of people - not an official building with the nice title on it

^ This

Night night Tam

😩