what are you talking abt

why suddenly bringing it up

lmao

same

listen up kids

im going to tell you why russia is the best

hmmmmmmmmmm

interesting

in the motherland if you change your name we jail you

lucky for you we not in motherland

Fun Fact: it was illegall to be gay in the Soviet Union, and people caught engaging in homosexual behavior were imprisoned and/or killed

idk man

you capitalist pigs are set in your own way

Fun Fact: there were no unemployed adults in the Soviet Union, if you had no job the government gave you one. If you refused to work, you would be imprisoned or sent to a labour camp.

yes

you had to be a productive citizen

unless you were in college

so they had the lowest unemployment rates then any country

because they had none

cheers bro ill drink to that

what are your guys thoughts on Stalin

why? im genuinely interested its a good topic

you do realize the number of people stalin "killed" is greatly exaggerated. Unless the Soviet Union released s statement saying how many people it killed there is really no way to know

that was exactly what happened in the soviet union. People who worked (meaning everyone) made money according to their jobs

what i am saying is you can not know for sure. you have to understand a lot of the info you have on the soviet union came from america and news outlets, which acted as propaganda as the ussr was an enemy to the us

its not just that, the us and the ussr were major enemies. they had an arms race and both fed propagande to its citizens regarding the other

as a russian myself, i have many relatives who were born and lived in the ussr their whole lives

that was in the very begining after the revolution as the country was vulnerable and they couldnt have someone penetrate them from the inside

after that it wasnt there

again, there was no burning of churches past the 1930s as religion was completely abolished during Stalin's reign

i have read a bit but please say what exactly you are referring to

btw just to clarify, i myself identify as a conservative. I am just saying the things that actually happened in the ussr were very different from what people on the west beleive right now

i am definitely not. in fact that is one of many things i disaggree about that the soviet union did

you guys are not listening to me

i do not support communism

all i am saying is that things were much different

never did i say they were great. it was run by very scumme people for sure, but that was the case in almost every country and it still is like that to this day

thats the joke

i did that on purpose

lmao

Nazis are the real scum

just to make this clear, communism did not exist after Stalin died. I can explain why but it would require noone to write in chat for a bit

if you guys dont mind i can explain my point

but youll have to be quiet for a sec

While Stalin was the General Secretary of the USSR, there were no taxes, everything was owned by government, no private businesses, free healthcare, every person was given a job depending on their education, everyone had equal opportunity, no-one was in debt(including the government),everyone was given an apartment and if you had a more important job like a position in government or a nuclear physicist, you were given a car and a house and money. So the idea that everyone was dirt poor is a lie. Now, on to my point. After Stalin died, things quickly started taking a turn for the worse. There were laws passed that let people open private businesses, and some people even started to pay tax. This all escalated very quickly and when a traitor by the name of Gorbachev came in to power, he was under the payroll of big American companies and destroyed the country that was the soviet union. Because taxes were introduced and private businesses could open, Communism ceased to exist in that country and it became extreme socialism, which is very bad. In my opinion, Communism in its purest form like it was at the time of Stalin is the perfect socio-economic system as it gives everyone an equal opportunity to succeed, but unfortunately, since people are greedy animals and always want more, it will never be accomplished and almost certainly will cause more damage then good. That is why, in my opinion, Communism and Socialism should never be tried again or even introduced to Capitalistic societies as they will only bring destruction and evil.

why is it bad?

My family has personal ecperience with the soviet union and some of them were poor, while others on my family were highly successfull people

there were definitely bad things there but nothing ad bad as the propagand regarding the soviet union

communism does not mean everyone is equal

the main idea and focus point of the communist party in soviet russia was that everyone had EQUAL OPPORTUNITY

thats the key word

if you were smart and studied hard in school, you became a doctor or something better than a factory worker, which in turn gave you priveleges

but you guys missed the whole point

they were supposed to have leaders, thats why they had 1 party with a person in charge of the party. the revolution was based on that prinicple

i have several points, but yes they were exxaggerated

the only "innocent civilians" that were murdered were people who were gay and people who tried to form a revoluton

you did have the freedom to fail though. you didnt read what i said

doubt what exactly

you guys completely missed my point

everyone had equal opportunity, including children of people in the higher ranks, there were no taxes of any kind, free healtchcare, and classes were distributed by importance of individuals in society

that is before and during stalin

after it went to shit

noone couldnt work in the soviet union. it was illegall

if you didnt have a job, the gvernment gave you one depending on your education and skill. if you REFUSED to work, you were sent to labor camps

the soviet union didnt have a problem with healthcare because they didnt rely on the us dollar. they could print as much money as they want to cover all aspects of society

and yes people were forced to work

unless you were in college you were required to be a productive member of society

again, there is some truth to that, but it is highly exaggerated

i dont want to shit on the us military because i have a lot of respect for the military and everyone who serves, but the us involvement didnt change the result of the war, only sped it up

nazis were going to lose anyway

the main attack strategy of the nazis was that they focused a lot of their troops into one attack and would win by sheer numbers. after their attack on moscow failed, they were pretty much screwed

correct

that is the term

again, i dont understand why you dont disagree with the principle. if everyone is working and being productive, what would the reason for your unemployment be? the only reason i see is laziness, and that is the problem of the person, not the country

that is exactly what people did in the soviet union

lets say you werent the brightest in your class, you graduated school and went to workers college, graduated and went to work at a factory. yes, the first few years od your work you would be at the lowest rank, working as a factory worker. But then, if you exhibited skill and leadership, you would become the manager of your group, then your sector, etc. before too long you could really work your way up and be the "supreme" manager of not only your factory but all of those in your state. And obviously a position of that high status would give you many more priveleges than people who work as average workers, including more money

my great grandmother is an example of that actually

she started off as a clothes manufacturer

yes and no.

which is exactly the problem

yes

dont you think it is more fair to work towards a goal then to be given it, at the same time getting rid of that goal for people who deserve it?

i love capitalism

my family prospered under capitalism

but there are faults with it

as there are faults with communism

same can be said for capitalism

think of this

my dad is a successfull businessperson

he is in the uppper class

and is basically a multi millionaire

I, his kid, is a complete moron

i have no skill

no reason to work for anything

because everything is already given to me

i dont have to college

because sooner or later my dad dies, and I, a complete nobody inherits everything

at the same time someone who is extremely bright and hard working has no money

was born into a poor family

and cant pay to go to a uni