And, no, women are not very good at morals.

It's still moral. To them.

Nature isn't even concerned about that.

Enh, I'm a chill atheist.

I don't need some man in the sky to tell me how to behave. There's perfectly rational, secular arguments to not be an absolute fuck knuckle.

Well, if men define morality, then women are often immoral.

We identify value in production over consumption, loyalty rather than mercenary, integrity or opportunism.

And the little ladies, when left unchecked, tend toward consumption, mercenary, and opportunism.

Wait, what conclusions do you disagree with?

Those aren't mgtow, those are more black pill and red pill rage responses.

Yeah, none of those are core mgtow premises. Everything about mgtow is in the name.

it's the ultimate act of agency

It's beautiful.

separate the red pill rage and black pills from mgtow core.

men going their own way.

It is literally all in the name.

it's taking personal agency

going their own way

You pick your path, and go down it.

ideally, you do it with eyes wide open

getting red pilled can be hard, though

That's why neo threw up and passed out in shock.

That's why it's called a red pill

Ha.

I think those are more accurately called chameleons.

You don't know she's a unicorn until she's dead and hasn't betrayed you. That's a lot of years of gambling.

@Kragt Agreed, except you can get red pilled and then deny it.

statistically speaking, there is bound to be a nawalt out there.

But that's like basing your retirement on winning the lotto

That last part is particularly significant to me.

It's like trying to walk across a minefield, several times.

You only need to do it wrong once.

And then your story gets an abrupt end.

I'm ambivalent on that.

On the one hand, blue pill dream come true. On the other hand, shithole country.

Uh... yeah... since I don't care for blue pill and shithole country sucks, I'm okay with not going down that route.

I'm officially surrogacy and single fatherhood.

Men make better parents anyway.

Thanks. That would be awkward.

But, so, I kind of want one just so I can break up with her by saying "You like dick, and that's gay. Miss me with that gay shit."

It doesn't stand up to any sort of investigative rigor!

And it's not supposed to. It's meant to bewilder her while you run away.

Exactly!

Has anyone ever been convinced when they set up that argument?

Also, what is tfm's stance on marriage?

I mean, aside from that.

a chink in the armor?

are you being racist?

But that's exactly my point, Kragt. That's why surrogacy and single fatherhood go together.

That's a high barrier to entry such that almost no one that doesn't really mean it will make that play.

Again, it's a great gutcheck.

If you really, really mean it, you will figure it out.

I will confess outright, I do not "really, really mean it"

We don't need reasons to have children.

There is no need to justify your own biology.

That's the nihilism talking.

Use a knife. It's more personal.

I've actually tried to use a throwing knife and a gun.

Not at the same time.

My aim is terrible.

Only if both are stowed.

Yeah, but on a long enough time line, the universe we know ends.

That's not an argument, that's a tautology.

We still have nuclear.

And solar.

Prove what?

Well, not any more than from a laymen's understanding of the "big chill"

I'm also very pro nuclear.

Oh, yeah. I can make a feasible case on my own.

They just haven't gotten to it yet.

They apparently can't stand up to being ignored or mocked.

I don't think the collapse is going to be quite as thorough as you think it will be, tater.

@Whats gay anymore That's why you keep your friends close, so achmed is the one in the ditch, not you and yours.

They're not the same humans.

It matters a lot.

A hard collapse is just game over. A soft collapse allows you to have a continue.

The Great Leveler might be a book you'd appreciate.

That last boss, with no rings... is brutal.

Enough to get a game over?!

Are you drunk?

Oh, are you playing with a wireless controller?

Surrogacy already covers the artificial womb.

Immortality... we can probably do that digitally.

Eventually.

Space travel... yeah. I don't trust that.

Yes, but it denies them power and agency over the man.

And his children.

They have jetpacks.

Just, we're not being rocket boy.

Hey, that doesn't mean they aren't there.

I don't follow.

tablet computers

uh... the cure to hepatitis c.

You could make that argument about almost everything.

guns are just really good rock throwers.

no, but electricity existed and we already had those orbs where if you touch it, electricity will gather to your hand.

ergo, capacitative touch is just a refinement.

See?!

Yeah, that's a very nihilistic view.

Why don't you just take the smith and wesson retirement plan if you find no value in anything?