primarily because its a status symbol and it inflates the ego

and you're assuming that the rate of change of the rate of change of supply isn't incrementing when it is

perhaps humanity will need larger homes

but we can substantiate that demand

there is also the issue of replication

there is individual autonomy whereby one could replicate the very devices and products they could acquire with currency

in a near future

in such a world what would be the use of currency

or rather

the use of currency would become much more limited as it would be an effective mix between gift and market economy if the valuation of certain goods approach null

The point was that post-scarcity has already been achieved for food

but the rest of the economy isn't built for communism as result of scarcity for other product

and in a world where every individual can have their own means of production and have the information to replicate product, product devaluation would ensue

Yes it's harder under a market economy

not under a gift economy

and it's not 'stop this group from hoarding'

it's more construct a society where hoarding isn't necessary as goods are devalued

Right and what about worker co-ops?

do worker co-ops involve stealing from bosses?

It's a business where the workers are also the owners of the business

a popular example is the mondragon corporation

all profit from the business goes back to the workers and to investment

rather than to a owner

who then delegates a portion of his profits to the workers

The point is i'm not trying to steal, but I'm trying to do what worker co-ops do: build the infrastructure to make it such that it is unnecessary to have a boss. In this case it is unnecessary to hoard

I'm a voluntaryist so I would never coerce someone to take their property and redistribute it

There are different models of worker co-ops but they all have one thing in common which is removing the need for the singular owner role

people can from the pooled resources in a post-scarcity society

but this is assuming post-scarcity

It's not that I want to restrict currency or purchasing, I just want to build a platform where it would be unnecessary and counter-productive to do so

right and hoarding is unnecessary if such action prevents yourself from gaining from a shared pool

such behaviour can be repressed in the same way gifting is repressed in a market economy

How am I fining?

It's like saying: I have my property and you have to abide by my rules if you want to be on my property

is that not in accordance with property rights?

Inaction is not fining

social ostracism is an effective means of utilising collectives in a way that is not unethical

its no different than the ancaps that preach of the ancap and then argue that shooting someone in your lawn may cause your community to disassociate yourself from such cruelty if they see fit

It's like saying shutting my ears or not giving you good treatment for what you said is the same as silencing you

Lol

It doesn't have to be and it really isn't

Capitalism has had many different iterations

Anarchy has many flavours

and a voluntary society takes many forms

Pure communism is freedom, Freedom from coercion, Freedom from force, Freedom to associate, Freedom from class and material slavery. By nullifying the value of property we can truly experience our subjective value of it.

It's voluntaryist in nature

and as are many other economic platforms

there is no reason for capitalism to be the predominate platform, corporatism is just capitalism clinging to the state and ironically it's the only way it can be sustained

I doubt a free market can truly exist under capitalism

I suppose we were arguing on the nature of communism

and you argued it's anti-equality of opportunity, when I'd argue it allows total association and dissociation and gives more opportunity than any other system

You could try to do so

but whats stopping them is that they get all the rewards you could give them and more

essentially making it laughable

what do you mean?

what force?

No they can keep shit

It works perfectly fine with humans

capitalism works and fails because of humans

Why do you think the keynesians start throbbing when the market fails

That was state socialist

I'm not pro state-socialist

I would only seek Ancom given it were in a post-scarcity climate and involved a voluntaryist platform

rather than the coercion of a state and the lack of infrastructure and resource to conduct any transformation

How can you disobey a gift economy?

I don't

I aim to build or rather inspire the infrastructure for the hypothetical system

and I conclude that it would be the logical conclusion of a post-scarcity society given it were stable

I don't think you understand communism, in a communist system you cannot 'become too powerful' as the means of production would be available for all to milk

3 ways

Centralised planning through artificial intelligence (perhaps with the demands of the people in mind democratically) is a cool option

*laissez faire* communism 😂 workplaces simply starting their means of production because they simply want to produce the product of their desire

I kid when I say 3 ways, in reality there are many ways

that involve central planning, decentralised planning, human interaction, ai involvement, mixed, etc.

The point is it can exist without a government and I think what you're concerned with is a state, and it can exist without a coercive state

How well do you know Ancapism

is Ancapism necessarily anti-government?

Ancap has been anti-*state* with the most die hard wanting decentralisation of public goods through private businesses

however ancaps haven't been against the concept of governance

hence why you see voluntaryist governance advocates

No

I claim that you may be conflating state and government

and that government is simply a service provider

whilst a state is a government that is coercive in nature

some ancaps take it further wanting the decentralisation of this service provider so that it can get the benefits of free market competition

and so that it's power isn't centralised

and voting with bux means no voting with ballot so you have companies

Sure, how much would you like me to screen cap?

alright well cya later mate

if you ever want to continue just tag me

well

Some ancoms are actually 'libertarians', *some*

What happened?

Did we get raided or something?

Shit

Oh?

What is this google persons username?

Go ahead it's a free *country*

Go ahead