@agag Objectively false

The Roman Church was the starter of the schism

Yes, it was.

Rome attempted to force itself as the universal head of the Church

Show me one instance in Christianity's early history of Rome executing Ex Cathedra

Peter also founded the Church in Antioch so the Patriarch of Antioch has equal claim to the seat of Peter

There's also numerous things in scripture that we can attest to, such as in Galatians 2:11 when Paul opposes Peter for being wrong. There is also the fact that during the Council of Jerusalem, the Bishop of Jerusalem, James, presided over the Council while Peter and the others spoke @agag

If Rome, and thus Peter, had infallibility and was the head of the Church, he would have presided over the council himself and Paul wouldn't have had the power to rebuke him

Primacy does not equal Supremacy

It never has

Bishops are equal in power and have right over their jurisdictions

Ecumenical Councils are called to solidify dogma of the Church and to address issues that arise within the universal Church. If Rome fell into heresy, and we were to suppose that the Bishop of Rome was the head of the Church, we'd be following a heretic

@agag Peter was asserting incorrect dogma with regard to the requirement of circumcision for gentile converts and if we suppose Peter to have the power of Ex Cathedra then he would have solidified this false teaching as dogma, but fortunately St. Paul, being his equal, rebuked him and the issue was addressed at the council of Jerusalem.

@agag Do you have an answer?

@agag Some arguments to counter the claims that these Church Fathers supported the doctrine of Papal Supremacy.
- The church at Rome was founded (or more formally organised) by both Peter and Paul. As no particular charism or primacy attaches to Paul, then it is not from his co-foundation of the church of Rome that the Roman Pontiff claims primacy.
- Rome is an Apostolic throne, not the Apostolic throne.
- Church Fathers do not refer to another tier or clerical office above the ordinary episcopate.
- Meletius of Antioch, who presided over the Second Ecumenical Council, was not in communion with Rome.
- Galatians 2:7 points to equality of both St. Peter and St. Paul
- Cyril of Alexandria states "One therefore is Christ both Son and Lord, not as if a man had attained only such a conjunction with God as consists in a unity of dignity alone or of authority. For it is not equality of honour which unites natures; for then Peter and John, who were of equal honour with each other, being both Apostles and holy disciples."
- 1 Peter 1:4-5, Peter refers to himself as a fellow elder, not as THE elder, but a fellow one

Oops, typed the wrong verse

1 Peter 5:1

In Matthew 16:19, Peter is explicitly commissioned to "bind and loose"; later, in Matthew 18:18, Christ directly promises all the disciples that they will do the same. Similarly, the foundation upon which the Church is built is related to Peter in Matthew 16:16, and to the whole apostolic body elsewhere in the New Testament (cf. Eph. 2:10).

The Church and the State should work together for the salvation of the people and that the only constitution that should bind us is our Faith

@Vril-Gesellschaft

@Weissest Lies

Yes, I do believe in Theocracy

I am a Theocrat after all

@Logical-Scholar I plan to vote for a candidate that will slow the government down

Yes, I do. Which is why I have decided to not vote Democrat @Logical-Scholar

But I do not support the Republicans in any sense

I think they're a different den of rats

I have no love for America

Every fibre of my being revolts when I contemplate the ideology of America

Canada would be worse

We must understand that Apostles dwelled in cities of filth and degenerates, blessed St. Peter and St. Paul resided in Rome, the city of decadence and evil.

I stay only because I've an obligation to my family

I won't leave my family despite how I feel of America and its policies. I've the means to move as I have saved up a descent sum of money to move to Europe or to Lebanon

I'm a religious nationalist

That's the best way to describe it

I don't see any inherent need to preserve it, but if you feel it's what you want to do go ahead

Mainstream Orthodoxy doesn't endorse racialist theory

There may be many on these discussion boards that profess Orthodox faith and have racialist leanings, but it's not dogma within the Church.

My kinfolk is a fellow Orthodox, not a member of my race or my nation

I think what the tower of babel is about is people trying to unify in order to defy God

If one were to apply the Old Testament standards of nations, they'd find that if a marriage between an Italian and a Frenchman were to have taken place it would have been an abomination. But of course, if one is genuinely Christian and follows Christian teaching, they would know that this would not be so. St. Timothy of Ephesus, a cross between a Greek and a Jew, would be an abomination and would not see the Kingdom of God. God forbiddening the Israelites from marrying members of other nations was of religious reasons rather than ethnic reasons. If racialists were to claim it was of ethnic reason, then they would forfeit their almost universal claim that Jesus and the members of the nation of Israel were white and their accomplished neighbours, like the Egyptians and early Persians, were white.

Did St. Eunice defy the natural order of things when she conceived Timothy of Ephesus? @Vril-Gesellschaft

I think your asserting your own beliefs on the Christian faith @Vril-Gesellschaft

Because there is literally nothing from Church Fathers or any other piece of dogma that would agree with your opinion

I'm not preaching for or against race mixing, I am preaching the gospel and asserting the teachings of the Church. I am separating that which is foreign from the Church from perceptions of the Church.

When the Turks invaded into Cyprus and raped and impregnated a number of Greek women, and the women were in despair and threatening abortion, the Bishop of Cyprus at the time, his name eludes me right now, told them not to do so and that the children were gifts of God that were meant to be carried as a cross.

@Kierketard If you take scripture and put your own despositions on it and don't carefully analyse the meaning of said scripture

Racialism as a phenomena only starts really with colonialism and the advent of the teachings of Darwin

And it's pretty much a foreign concept for nations that didn't indulge in colonialism, which was the east.

@Kierketard If we observe cases throughout the history where members of different nations have came together and married and the marriage and offspring were sanctified by God. St. Timothy of Ephesus was one of these.

I don't know why you guys are so insistent on calling me a Civic Nationalist, I really have no nationalistic sentiment

@Kierketard It doesn't provide grounds for it being condemned

I really have no volk because of my religion

I literally have nothing in common with members of my ethnic background

@Kierketard And those bounderies have changed and they constantly will change. The nation of Thrace was destroyed because they became Greeks, as were the Galatians. Are you going to say to me that the Christians who oversaw this process were rebelling against God's will? @Kierketard

If you were going by an Old Testament doctrine of what race or ethnos meant, it would be by tribe and ethnic group. God forbid the Israelites from intermarrying between their racially similar neighbours not on racial grounds but on religious grounds

I wouldn't say that it does @Kierketard , because I believe that it is of religious reasons rather than racial reasons. I think God would be happier if I married a Lebanese Orthodox woman than a Germanic/Anglo woman of with non Orthodox beliefs

That's like finding a needle in a haystack

Ain't gonna lie

I don't know if I'll end up marrying however, part of me thinks it's something that really isn't for me.

No, I'm this:

Correlation =/= Correlation

Not white enough for the ethnostate sadly @Mr. Dr. Professor. Vaughn

My ancestors all came from here:

@Logical-Scholar I wouldn't mind it, I

I'd want to marry someone I love

I've never really focused on women too heavily

I feel really bad because the other day I cucked two dudes out of their girls while I was with some of my friends at an amusement park. I was joking with my friends and followed me around for a while.

It really must suck being a beta

You can't say all women are like a certain way. Imagine the Theotokos and her purity

@Vril-Gesellschaft You are showing pictures of individual people, some are better looking than others. The one's who are blessed by God are those who believe and follow him

I don't know why but I've always gotten along better with older women

75% x 0 is 0

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I took the political compass yesterday and this is what I got

I suppose this one is the most accurate

I mean, it is really hard for me to be a nationalist when I see my home nation as filled with evil

And the fact that I would never raise my arm to fight a war for it

I don't agree with nationalism because if my nation called me to betray my God or my Family, I would sooner betray the nation than those two

@Vril-Gesellschaft What is the name of that test for the nation builder?

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I'm not good at the whole economics thing but this is mine

I mean, I'm not going to let people slander against God and the Church

That kind of filth cannot be tolerated

I'm personally inclined towards the death penalty, but I believe in mercy

Oops

I don't mean to have the death penalty for that

More reformed version

@Mr. Dr. Professor. Vaughn When you deny God you are preaching and taking evil into yourself. Allowing blasphemers and heretics to spew filth onto the streets is like letting men spray poison gas onto crops

No drunkards

@agag

@agag I'm not of the opinion that it ought to be totally banned, rather it should be rationed extremely heavily and anyone found drunk would be subject to legal trouble

@Vril-Gesellschaft If someone is going about promoting heresy, like Arianism or Nestorian's heresy they ought to be silenced

I'd want to live in a city state where power is shared between the Church and Monarch

You have more in common with members of your city than anyone else

If I live in Rome, what do I care of the citizens of Milan? We've different needs and different norms

Cities may form associations with one another to repel their enemies, but I don't want to provide support to places that aren't my own city

If I am to pay taxes, I want most of that money to go to my city

@Quasi I mainly desire a city state because I want Degrowth and an end to mass production and consumption

A bird has been making a nest in my old clubhouse