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@Superwalter64 Big Facts

big oof

4 Mins ig lol

I agree with Pain

good point

If no one disagrees someone should play Devil's advocate and larp as a liberal

sharpen our debate skills

what do u guys think about canada's health care system

Crap

It can seem good for shit like a broken arm

Crap for anything more complex

I think the healthcare system should work in increments where everyone is provided with a package that covers all needs and as they move up the economic ladder, they are given more options with their own advantages.

So capitalism?

More money you make the more services you get?

No, not quite. Any procedure or need would be covered with the provided, initial system.

lmao

I like this already

I liken the system to progression in a video game. When you initially begin in the game, you're provided with basic weapons and a minimal amount of money, enough to progress in the game. As you continue in your journey, you gain more resources and no longer need to use the basic armor provided. The point being that you need basic armor if you want any chance of progression.

I have good examples of socialized healthcare which worked. One example, Nazi Germany.

Good point @KARMAAA

Please do not evoke Nazism to make your point.

It is a cancer. People will never want to reduce services once we have it.

It's an example of Goodwin's law.

I was joking @Survivor

I figured

Sorry lol

It's difficult to tell with text and the lack of emotional inflection.

@PainSeeker5 Speak up I can barely hear you.

Who decides what the stupid stuff is

That's completely reasonable, since you don't need that for your survival.

sorry @Pathless

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@Mord Who decides who eats healthy enough

I agree that aesthetics should not be covered. That's like changing the hat of your game character. You don't need a hat to progress in the game.

I do disagree with the obesity example, since many obese people suffer from glandular disorders.

are u trolling

It's definitely not common sense, some people tell me eggs are unhealthy

what is up with the video game analogies

I like to make analogies to emphasize my points.

If I eat McDonalds once a week, is that healthy enough? Should govt monitor my diet? @Mord

Ideally, we should be trying to create medical technology to annihilate obesity while suffering no repercussions for eating anything.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/study-medicare-for-all-would-cost-32-6-trillion-over-ten-years/

It's not fair that our bodies are so incompetent at dealing with foods of certain composition.

it's only 32 trillion not that much my goy

Why shouldn't they be allowed to receive it? @Transgender individuals

Democrats will never stop. They will make up new "rights" like the right to not be ugly. Therefore plastic surgery should be free.

I legitimately am curious as to this.

It's Stalinism, technically.

Economic leftism and social rightism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TODyyR5GRqw&t=8s

Insurance companies are creating incentives to be healthy

May someone please answer the question I'm asking? Why shouldn't transgender individuals be entitled to universal health care, if in a hypothetical universe cisgender individuals can receive it?

For example if you're on weight watchers you can get cheaper insurance

Or if you're a good driver, you get better rates. Insurance aligns everyone's incentive

@Survivor What do you mean

I believe someone here said that if for example the universal health provisions disallowed transgenders from receiving treatment, that Democrats likely would want to amend this for transgenders to receive it as well, and it was said in a tone that implied this would be unfavorable. @Supreme Leader Kim 🧧

It's why I feel we should be funding technology to annihilate health issues heavily.

For example, technology to annihilate obesity.

Technology to annihilate diabetes.

The free market would incentivize being healthy

Technology to annihilate heart disease.

Universal health incentivizes bad habits

We shouldn't have to endure the nightmares of prevention if we can completely annihilate the conditions.

Law of economics: Whatever you tax, you get less of. Whatever you subsidize, you get more of. Universal health would subsidize bad habits because it has no economic impact to you.

can we talk about something controversial

this is boring

I think some people do care, but they're enraged by the amount of prevention that's required.

Depression is not a tangible disease akin to obesity.

And people do not just decide to be obese. There are a number of factors co-existing with each other that lead to it.

Such as genetics, concurrent health conditions, complications

Mental health is radical subjectivism

100lb overweight is an extreme

Yeah, it's extremely subjective and the state weaponizes it.

@Supreme Leader Kim 🧧

What if we can make it so that we don't suffer health consequences from being sedentary, due to advanced medical technology

?

@Virulent what if I choose that job because I like sitting down all day

The system of treating the mentally ill is so drastically broken now

@Virulent As I said, what if we can alter our bodies so that we no longer suffer ill effects from our actions and choices?

good points @Chilliam Ace

Build the wall

@Virulent based and redpilled

i hate my mic

i agree

We all do

😛

We need to find a way to fully annihilate it out of existence, rather than continue relying purely on antibiotics.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1403/limit-legal-immigration/

Then as I said, we need to find a way to COMPLETELY annihilate the antibiotic resistant forms of staph out of existence.

Shouldn't we focus on complete annihilation of the diseases?

We should make sure they do not exist in the slightest degree.

@Chilliam Ace Do you agree with full annihilation of every disease possible?

nearly impossible due to the fact that some virus's are nearly impossible to cure

hell cancer is the hardest

so many different forms of cancer

We definitely need to annihilate that out of existence.

we could

ut

but

good luck i guess

@Chilliam Ace great points

We haven't even been able to find a cure for the common cold yet

Which we hopefully will be able to do. We should annihilate it out of existence as well.

@Mord let's say (((consensus))) decides we should all be Vegan, would you support that?

I honestly doubt we can get rid of the common cold

We have to find a way to completely destroy it.

@Supreme Leader Kim 🧧 No veganism is not healthy

Oof

(((consensus))) can say whatever they want though

Gov will say whatever it wants to reduce costs

@gandhididpompeii there is a theory that it is not cured because it is profitable

Oh yea, the 'sick care vs health care' shite

Actually in a lot of cases it's cheaper to let people die than to treat them

And I wouldn't trust gov to make that call

This is true

there is also the possibility that it's hard to cure the many different strains of the cold

^

I was about to explain that

sorry

next time you'll get em buddy

We definitely need to attempt to, as the amount of resources wasted on that goddamn virus is massive. We have to destroy it.

You saved me time if anything I should thank you

yeah

l don't personally believe in the theory l mentioned, but it wouldn't be surprising if it was true.

yea of course

guys

we are just inputting opinion

you got to know

we should move on to the next topic soon as it is very interesting

the goverment makes tons of money on cancer

why would they find a cure?

they can't

lf the common cold was cured by a vaccine yea they could price it high but why would you do that when you could make even more by just selling cold medicine at high prices and have everyone buy it several times in their life

if you understand/had cancer

@Mord it's called profit

rEaLlY? !?!?!? @Living The Dream 🍀

it's fucking hard to keep track of/cure/even treat

Incentives are never aligned when you involve the Govt. That's practically an axiom.

That is my point @Living The Dream 🍀

a cure for lung cancer @Living The Dream 🍀 does not equal the cure for brain tumors

its hard to cure all cancer

if we can land on the fucking moon! we can cure cancer!

especially if it metastasizes

lf there was a cure for cancer there wouldn't be super rich people dying of it

@Living The Dream 🍀 it was easier to go to the moon than fake the landing in 1969

I do think letting most die of cancer is a moral solution to overcrowded populations

going to the moon was not that difficult given technology

@PainSeeker5 population control my dude

lel

society contorls population itself

@Virulent good points

@PainSeeker5 nope

stop giving me propaganda

@PainSeeker5 propaganda?

lf the government actually did population controll, they aren't doing a good enough job

I'M WITH HER

Why is it we can't go to the moon now, how did we actually lose the Apollo rocket tech?

ok conspiracies

have you seen what they promote at the un?

no i haven't enlighten me

@AssholeNeighborVadim nasa just an ounce manned moon missions

Announced**

awesome

>an ounce manned moon missions

XD

next question <:PresidentSleeper:356316673612972032>

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imma put you to sleep alright

you'll be here for hours bucko

SAD

http://www.un.org/en/sections/issues-depth/population/

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@Living The Dream 🍀 i'll link you a video after this debate

6 billion OY VEEEEYYY

check out the solution

it'll explain what i believe

oh god mord

hey niggers. first time TRS debate participant here.
the markets are going to crash majorly in the next 6 years some time.
look at this shit, the fed is engineering the crash.

if you disagree with me, you have the big gay

the USD will be worthless in the next 10 years

Will a share in Google be worthless though

I'm keeping all my assets in equities

`"comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations system, government, and major groups, in every area in which humans have impact on the environment."`

yes nigger, the stock money markets are going to crash and burn hard. the USD will be as worthless as venezeulan currency @Supreme Leader Kim 🧧

13 209 225 (76.88%) of the Dutch population is white.

@KARMAAA 76?

according to the data yes

dutch in Netherlands?

yes

but thats just dutch whites

🦀 ATTITUDE INDICATOR IS GONE 🦀

WHAT THE FUCK

not including poles

in terms of adoption of new tech like crypto, we are not even at 1% full adoption rate yet. invest now or ultimately stay poor and starve. change my mind

or other white groups

wrong chart

@SchloppyDoggo Yeah I understand that. The USD is worthless right now. But a share in google is worth the equivalent of an old Honda

@SchloppyDoggo So the question is will that still be the case once the USD collapses?

Honda will cost a million USD, share in Google will also be worth a million.

most of the stock market is propped up by the US economy dude, yea its going to get hit super hard

foreign investment is less than 30%

make all citizens pay taxes

That's a big problem with the Canadian CHS, a lot of people that go to med school here go practice in the US, they actually pay decently

Make welfare suckers pay taxes

nice debate guys. look slike i have won again. ggwp

Agreed Vadim not only that but we have the boomers that fill the ER bc they have a little cough bc it's free for them

AND funding goes to overpriced "super hospitals"

Ei canadiens

this is why we got to leave the un

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/foreign-trained-doctors-are-critical-serving-many-us-communities

get rid of capitalism good answer

@PainSeeker5 why

@SchloppyDoggo My problem is crypto's potential infinite supply

@WizardLizardInABlizzard Super hospitals=Massive gyms for diseases to build up tolerance to antibiotics and become superbugs

kek

we need to reform it

that's why

is a meme

@Supreme Leader Kim 🧧 >wat are fixed supplys

@PainSeeker5 pure capitalism is not the whole answer

most crypto doesnt have infinite supplys

@SchloppyDoggo Say I hold my money in BTC. A competing coin could completely devalue my assets if people move to Bitcoin SUPREME or something.

ik

we need to make usa more national capitalist

having the capitalist tag doesn't mean i support pure capitalism

Supersyphagohnaherpaaides starts in canada

@PainSeeker5 what type do you like

?

@PainSeeker5 do you disagree that capitalism (the enabler) and personal greed is what enables and incentivizes companies to outsource and use cheaper labor?

classic, social?

Social capitalism?

@The_Don_73 yes

it's a thing