Look, I'm all aboard libertarianism and personal freedom, if it's in your home.

But reality matters here. Long term drug use, let's use FDA findings of Marijuana (THC) for example. Leads to long term lowered productivity of up to 50%. In teenagers it can permanently ruin ones ability to form and retain memory. It's shown to lower IQ by ~4 points on average. It has no known benefits. It makes mentally ill people much worse. It can cause mental illness... just a few.

Literally couldn’t eat after I quit smoking, felt sick, weird shit started happening when I started taking dabs

Long term drug use has societal ramifications. Where if you were in a country where everyone was high on weed 24/7, you'd be substantially worse off than a 'sober country'

Yeah but that's not realistic. Some people will use majority won't. No need to police a victimless crime

Plus the amount of money you spend on that shit is insane, I get sick thinking about it

it's not victimless.

Absolutely is

No... it effects your community, your family, your employer.

That's some commie shit bruh

Not really.

yes, quite really

It's commie shit to sit on your couch all day and smoke pot and not earn your worth.

Pro weed is generally a left wing stance

So don't give motherfuckers who sit on the couch all day anything

I don't

I know a bunch of us who smoke though

So who exactly is the victim here then

of drugs?

The employers, because as laws changed and they can't fire people for weed use, which stays in the system for a long time. it kills productivity and puts extra burden on non-weed users. One example.

Younger people generally indulge more in such acts wouldn’t you agree?

And yes, laws are changing so that everyone in a business is burdened.

The government shouldn't get involved in the private dealings of citizens

Life isn't about productivity. That's some commie shit for real lmao

Yes it should ... you are sounding like an anarchist.

We have a government for a reason, because people do dumb things. Societies without laws aren't great ones.

@Bidibi do you believe in the border?

No, laws are to protect the victimized

Capitalism is competition and weed makes you not want to compete

Yes I do

Ok

Then they lose the competition, and that's their punishment

Sure but we shouldn’t glorify it or make it out to be a healthy habitual concept

Victimless crime is such a bad argument. Weed is literally an effort to turn youth into liberal leaning slugs because it makes them dumb and useless. I won't concede to that ever.

Even if I'm the last human on the planet who opposes weed.

Like I said I smoked for a long time and I know what damage that shit could do, some people can handle it some can’t

You can oppose and spread that message, but there should be no law prohibiting someone from a choice that does not directly victimize another

The same argument you make about weed is the argument for gun control

again, victimless crime is a stupid argument. It's not victimless you're just ignoring who it hurts.

It's not directly hurting anyone. No one has a right to someone else's "productivity"

Saying employers have to cater to and carry pot smokers and can't fire them for being useless when they generally are. it's not much better than making the military pay for a sex change.

Umm... yes an employer can fire you for poor productivity under normal circumstances.

Employment should be at will in my opinion

What

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Case by case contracts if the position is worth it

End of conversation. You are a social anarchist.

*unsheathes flintlock*

Why should a arrangement between employer and employee ever have stipulations set by anyone other than the employer and employee

If an employee would like to be protected from terminiation for marijuana use they should state that before employment

Protected by who?

The governing body whom would enfore contractual agreements among citizens

Ew

That already exists today...

Drugs lead to bad communities ie the inner city black community. Bad communities create leftists who want to tax the hell out of me to fund the poor decisions. It’s not victimless...

not for marijuana use

It's not the drugs you have the problem with its the welfare state's regulation

And there is a movement and in some places where “medical marijuana” is protected. And the employer can’t fire them without taking a medical discrimination lawsuit

If you want welfare, you can't be on drugs... how bout that?

I think that's stupid

god pot heads just can't get enough. you have to just shove marijuana everywhere

Get rid of drugs and there will be fewer people on welfare 🙂

I've never smoked pot in my life @Rudy

didn't say you did

You can't get rid of drugs the same as you can't get rid of sin

Trying to control people is not how you create a productivity society

You can educate people on how they’re more than a “victimless crime” and foster communities that condemn them...

that's really general

But controlling employers is......

Frozen I think you misunderstood what I wrote earlier

are you saying we shouldn't have laws? Laws limit behavior but we are more productive because of it in general.

Yeah I’m lost

No one would force the employer to have to agree to employment protections requested by a prospect

Can you name a society that’s benefitted from cutting drug enforcement?

I'm saying the only employment protections should be drafted between employer and employee

there should be no blanket protections

Yeah I’m just here for raid defence

Portugal, from what I've heard

But I'm not arguing from a statistical data based point because one I highly doubt there'

Highly doubt it. No where near as wealthy as the US

s alot of data of a true free society, minus the early days of USA

I don’t think a perfectly free society is a good society. Honestly.

Free to do w/e you want minus impacted another without their consent, is bad to you?

That's the only time punishment should be enforced by a government. When you have done something to someone directly and intentionally

If what you’re doing drags down the society and robs others of opportunity, yeah

intent shouldn't always be a standard

I could be persuaded that some actions maybe unintentionally should be resolved through the court

Difference between social redistribution is handing people opportunities by taking it from others. Banning drugs is banning a poor decision that hurts the society

but I don't believe unintentional damages deserve imprisonment

And often hurts the individual...

That's the individuals call

If people want to hurt themselves, they should have the right to in America.

That's why we don't ban soda and fast food.

Sadly, yes I think so. A desecration of the life God has given you but the government holds no right to your life.

Yes but there is an interest in suicide prevention.

I agree, but how do you legislate against that? You generally cannot without restricting persona liberty.

There's no law that can be written that would stop suicide

As a general rule, you should be free to live your life how you want as long as your actions don't have externalities on others or society.

I agree

You can fund the suicide hotline for example and programs to support people, particularly youth

on others*

The scale to judge impact on society is moldable at best and an absolute noose around the neck at worst

Judging one's impact on society from a Governmental point is communism. plain and simple

So... you can’t say that drugs are bad then? Are you fine with meth?

I'm not fine with meth. If someone wants to use it... that's their bad choice.

Well, there are actions and behaviors that are of general concern to society in an objective manner that we should regulate even if it isn't hurting other people.

There's no blanket statement for this kind of stuff saying everything is okay of everything isn't okay. It's more complicated than that.

If while under the influence they hurt someone or someone's property the punishment should be more severe than had that crime been committed sober

Why

You can draw lines, I think it’s fair to draw lines. Legally telling people to not use drugs is not communism.

Well its is

Most first world countries do this and have had generally good results

If the crime is murder, is the murder less evil if the person is drunk or sober?

Well most nation's governments are a mix bag of ideologies

No... its not

But the real problem is using our tax dollars to confine non-violent criminals/ but then we use our tax dollars on welfare recipients who are generally drug users

The punishment for murder can be death. Idk how you'd increase the severity there

I haven’t once advocated for any policy here though.

Monthly random drug screenings on welfare recipients

Okay what about theft. If someone is high and steals $10,000 worth of stuff is it worse than if they were sober?

Yes

Why

But drugs have gotten them to that point in most cases

I can get behind the idea of saying it’s too expensive to lock up every pot smoker. I haven’t really advocated for that. Just saying weed is bad, drugs are bad. Preventing drug trade and production is where I would target policy wise

Or you just allow private individuals to produce any drug and tax the hell out of it

Increasing punishments seems like one of the better ways to legislate

Then the drugs pay for themselves, there no "underground" society associated with drug use

I also don’t think any schedule drugs should be subject to “medical descrimination defense” if they harm productivity

its jsut the loser down the street who buys his dope at CVS like a fag

Umm

who will starve to death because he can't hold a job and he doesn't qualify for welfare

If you make your own drugs how do you tax that...?

Make and sell, like a business

Yeah... making drugs easily available is such a bad idea.

And then little timmy's daddy can say. You say John at the end of the street. He buys dope at the CVS. He's a fucking loser

Once you’re addicted you don’t care about the cost, you’ll rob your neighbors to get high.

Then you get shot by your neighbor

This is kinda the point of drug addiction...

Just curious has legalisation stopped a lot of pot related traffic from Mexico?

That’s difficult to assess. Though I am more concern with other drug trade across the border, particularly heroin with the opioid crisis

Good night, trump2020. That's something we can all agree on?

But the lack of profit would hurt cartels

Heroin is x1000 as bad as marijuana

don't buy mexican dirt weed. buy american

you get a much better product and you don't help support child sex traffickers

Why not support American sex traffickers by that logic? 🤔

No weed no demand for sex traffic no@problem

Hllo

What's up? Caught us in the slow early morning.

bernie 2020 am I right? 🤗

@Thundercles @zettapede @CovfefeBucks Cuck alert

https://tenor.com/view/athf-aquateen-mastershake-bitchslap-bitch-gif-5473530

define the word cuck without using google

bernie voter

Cuck: def. @𝓛𝓾𝓿𝓮𝓵𝔂

That was easy

<:ultrasmug:624684793199722498>

I-

or a kind of bird that tricks another male of the species into helping hatch it's eggs

BeRnIe 2o2o Am I rIgHt GuIsE?

if you want to be a faggot about it

Do they still make that mcdonalds show?

gone already. damn i wanted to fuck with them

With the mascots?

I don't think.

anime avatar too

<:PES_WeebsOut:666320712189083648>

we r have sex

we r not

give greens the ability to deport anyone who comes in with anime avatar imo

MODS

i will have sex

we r clean penis

tank q

someone tell the mods my idea

we elope

it'll work great

ys lets elope

ok we have gay sekz

Long as I can deport bernie barbies or whatever they're calling themselves now.

#cool

> we elope
@Raj Laghari you get back over the wall

Out you go!

OUT, OUT, OUT!

> Long as I can deport bernie barbies or whatever they're calling themselves now.
@Ultimarok the term yer looking for is losers.

Correct.

well, it appears i have found my people

the only people i have found who are willing to mock the fuck out of commie man bernie within a billion uncreative servers

Only a billion?

Sad. Low energy Bernie needs billions of servers and we just need one, extremely high energy server.

exactly, and even than, i don't think they could rally half the users combined

Whata up bitch

Hard dix and airplanes

Hmm, probably time for another movie night

<:terminatorpepe:624681485168803890> 🎥

I wish I could print out all of my pepe emojis

So I could remember them hah

I hope you have a lot of paper ready then. Soon as boogie can get back to work and then buy a new PC, he's going to make a shitload of new pepes.

> define the word cuck without using google
@𝓛𝓾𝓿𝓮𝓵𝔂

abbreviation for cuckold - common use in shakespeare - n. a husband whose wife cheats; v. act of betraying/cheating on husband by wife, as in "she cuckolded him & now he wears the horns" - thought to be racially charged term by some because there's a porn genre of all IR cuckold role play, but really because left thinks everything is racially charged

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/breaking-georgia-man-pleads-guilty-plot-attack-the-white-house/4SAdMK43Nm9Okg7Cb7uBAO/

She's banned

Any cucks?

okey doke

I WILL SMITE THEE

i thought it was a decent alternative to 'wuss,' and then it became toxic

"""toxic"""

What's this SJW speech?! <:cringe:630844921481527296>

DOES HE ***LOOK*** LIKE A **BITCH**?!

alright - it became a divisive term deemed to be 'toxic,' such that you got an earful if the wrong person heard you say it

better?

herpes

The only ones giving an "earful" are the overly politically correct, whom I despise.

hey guys

agreed. that's basically what I meant by the wrong person.

just saw what happened to the sub

Shame.

Y'all here for some **CHIGGIN' GAUMBO**? OooOOooOoooh

wait why dont we have a server banner

https://youtu.be/eK4umRMJlrs

Why can't I post images?

Because you're unvetted.

All new members go through a vetting process.

Oh right, can I get vetted if I don't have social media accounts other than discord?

Yes if you chat with us for a while in here. Worked for me.

But if you have examples of your Trump support (stories, your view on things, what you like the most about DJT and etc.), pics and such to back it up, that helps too.

I love how he is cutting taxes for job creators, they deserve it tbh

Gonna take a lot more than that. When one of the mods comes back online (blue and red names), just message them for a vetting interview.

For me, I got in from basically shitposting with the others, being chill and based. Took me about 2-3 days.

oh. is that why the story link didn't have a preview?

Yeah

Yee

what i was going to point out was that story headlines identify right wing terrorists as 'right wing terrorists' but for some reason this fellow was just identified as a 'georgia man'

Hasher Jallal Taheb

I gayrowntee

justin wilson is a daym texian...fake cajun

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Wilson_(chef)

Born in LA

he-a-fake. texan.

Read his page.

just cuz a cat has her litter in the oven, you dont call her kittens biscuits

Mate, I'm from Louisiana. Cajuns know cajuns.

I'm just picking on him. He was a rival, so I will never accept him.

Rival?

caint say more w/o doxxing myself

sry

Weird

Weird indeed.

wait, about these kitten buscuits

will they give me the chinese virus?

if you tell me zatarains makes cajun food or chacheres box dinners are authentic...you have to turn in your card

Nah, make it from scratch, but use their seasonings.

Tbh though, Slap Ya Mama is better.