Today in capitalism the big business owners control the big media, you can look how they're connected, they're hierarchic and they have the same interests, they all support a capitalist ideology

We're in a control system now, and the academia has the neoclassical pseudoscientifc model; debunked by marxists economists like Cockshott

Hardly, the big media machine has a keen interest in promoting socialism

haha no

Yeah.

not even the mild ones, like Venezuela who aren't even socialists

in my country there's a socdem party emerging

Lmfao

It's totally not natsoc, it's socdem

and they manipulate them accusing them of uspporting Venezuela, even a minimal reform, they start manipulating

😎👍🏽

a few nationalizations aren't socialism

You don't know much about Latin America do you?

I speak Spanish

I can get the sources

Neat. So you've gotten into the CIA cointelpro manuals ?

well, the CIA financed the opposition elections against the Socialist Party of Chile for example

The whole shitshow is kabuki theatre.

Various letter agencies and etc, it's a way of keeping OPEC in line

Socialists are too impractical and impulsive to see this shit.

@OF-8 Didn't CIA invade Afghanistan to stop communist? What about cold war?

And a lot more

The US has military bases all over the world

What about Vietnam, North Korea?

If two people are slapboxing in Biloxi, CIA has money on it.

Look. From a geopolitical standpoint the world is way more complex than you give it credit for.

What are you @OF-8 to tell me the tolerance for leftism?

I'm only interested in my tribe.

The rest of you are cattle.

politicians have to follow the interests of the economy, otherwise they screw it up

You work that out as you wish.

the dictatorship of the capital

your tribe can't be free until world socialism

as it keeps the capitalist relations of production

@OF-8 what is your tribe?

capitalism isn't a model in a vacuum

it becomes distorted, the market distortion is a dynamic which is inevitable

only for copyrights, to reward or not reward the innovation, is enough to push for corporations

@Ornament classified

how do they have an interest in socialism when socialism would remove all their profits?

@OF-8 Yeh, sissy cuckold tribe. That will be its name for us.

@OF-8 So how is your tribe doing?

Winning.

@OF-8 In which area?

We nailed socialism millennia ago.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7PGpB8CcAArXBE.png

The key: leave Jews out of it.

are you part of the bourgeoisie?

oh jews...

yes, tell me how removing the big capitalists (nazis say they're jews) would change the base of the economy

He is a future millionaire. He just got unlucky for a moment.

you have to change all or new big capitalists would emerge again

that is, with socialism

also criticism for market socialists

again the market distortion is present and it leads to a big enterprise sooner or later depending on the economy, business to big to fail

since there's no planning

No. I'm saying that Marx fed you a poison pill.

why?

Because he repurposed the kibbutz and left the "150" cap off and called it socialism.

Coming from a family of rabbis he either knew, perfectly well, that this would be chaos, or he's fucking retarded.

Either way he contradicts to deleterious effect the teachings of the Talmud with regard to community building. For this he should be removed from the socialist pantheon.

As swiftly and decisively as one might remove kebab.

aaah you believed the judeo-bolshevik-international-communist conspiracy of the nazis

I didn't know this was a nazi creation.

None of my sources were nazis.

it is

the economic theory of socialism has nothing to do with judaism

Maybe them figuring it all other is why they removed kebab so wrll

LMFAMFAOOKAY

in fact, Marx say about religion that it is the opium of the people

he says that so the people don't see his plagiarism

and Hoxha achieved the first atheist state

removing Islam as possible, which was reactionary

against women rights

Good thing nazi lost due to their systematical failures.

Removing Islam is required.

nazis were supported by capitalists like Henry Ford

Islam as a social system is a branch of socialism incompatible with modernity.

islam isn't a branch of socialism

Same as Marx

you didn't read marx

neither utopic socialists

You don't read religious texts.

I read both.

I read about catholicism

ex catholic

@OF-8 What books of Marx did you read?

Oh wow. So you saw how cucked the coptics got eh?

No

Then you didn't read about Catholicism.

Tfw shallow scholars

I was educated in catholicism

but I guess there are different sects

and what has islam to do with marxism?

You know. Lately I've been coming to Marx from secondary sources. My first and only pass through whatever was in that torrent was maybe six years ago.

I'm looking for an excuse to pick it back up, but I haven't found enough intelligence within Marxist dialectics.

@OF-8 You're reading Marx from the enemies of socialism

Usually this means I ought to leave it down.

@OF-8 Secondary sources merchanting you, brother. Read first hand information.

if you're a worker they're putting an ideology against your own interests

Why would not Marx be anti-socialism

http://ciml.250x.com/archive/5classics/english/hoxha_religion/hoxha_on_religion.html

Also is zizek and baidou anti socialist?

Marx says that religion is the opium of the people, when people are in misery

They search for Gods

to comfort themselves

The will never not search for gods

and not act

It is not a matter of comfort it is a primal human trait

This is marx' poison pill

@OF-8 If you never read first hand info you never know really. You can't make your own criticism

So Lenin in Marxism and religion says that we need to be patient for objective economic conditions, then I'll get away; but religion doesn't have to influence the party

I didn't say never read

I said looking for an excuse to make a second pass.

@OF-8 Which books did you read?

The Constitution of the USSR allowed religion but not against the aims of socialism, against women rights, that is, against socialist and progressive values

Whatever was in that torrent.

It was a stoned weekend idk. That's how I learn philo

@OF-8 You forgot the name of the book you've read?

I pirate stuff.

So I get a bunch of books at once and plow through em

First pass is "is this bullshit"

So far; bullshit confirmed.

Give me a reason to challenge that assumption.

Lets find out the book name. What was it about?

U want link to torrent?

I'm playing a game here. This isn't about dialectics.

@OF-8 I'm asking you a question

You sure are. 😎👌🏽

@OF-8 Was it about philosophy or economy?

What about this one; does this resolve your dilemma? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital:_Critique_of_Political_Economy

It was several volumes of bullshit.

That period of German language is kinda retarded anyway

@OF-8 what is the organic composition of the capital?

"possibility meeting desire"

Not to quote Marx specifically.

@OF-8 what is surplus capital, where it comes from?

Surplus capital both originates from and flows towards the confluence of possibility and desire, regardless of our individual perspective of this confluence's decadence

@OF-8 can surplus capital be gained through trade?

Every time I execute a trade, famalam

@OF-8 You don't have an ability to read long books, do you? You have to get refined info from low-key sources.

That is the reason you cannot criticize yourself.

U wanna screenshot of some book app?

there are easier books that aren't capital

@OF-8 I want a correct answer.

that can be read in one day to understand it

Correct according to whom?

Lmfao

@OF-8 to Marx

Yeah. Your hylic shenanigans are unwelcome.

This is dogma not discourse

@OF-8 If you don't read it you will always have to follow your low-key refined propaganda

You have to read books yourself

Don't read what

That's my fuckin point here you pleb.

@OF-8 Theory

Marxist theory is garbage. Give me a book which will challenge this.

Holy shit you people are anti-intellectual

You didn't read the "garbage"

@OF-8 I've read Main Kampf and other nationalist books. I'm able to read them. Nationalists can't do the same

I read the garbage a long time ago, remember it being garbage, I wanna see what all the plebs are on about

And why do you say it is garbage, what's wrong?

Mein Kampf is the same anachronistic Austrian gymnasium shit fest as das kapital

That is why we are going to annihilate them.

Mein Kampf has pseudoscientific racism and mason conspiracy inside it

Marx discovered labour exploitation

Yes and Marx tells you that seizing the means of production will drive the people into a forced freedom.

So...

Same garbage, same teaching method, same disaster.

@OF-8 after reading you have to remember it. To think about it.

forced freedom?

and why do you seizing the means of production is garbage

the nazis didn't do that

Ornament; I was analyzing the ideological underpinnings of GATE when I found Marx; which is why he was dismissed so quickly.

I was not hoping to get into the problems of the bourgeoise, simply figure out why the education system in USA is so fucked.

It comes back to Marx in the most fucked up way

no, but from liberalism

private education is the problem, here public education is a treasure

I educated myself. It works.

you probably misunderstood marxism

Teach the kids how to learn

@OF-8 If you don't remember a book, you have to re-read.

@Blebleh that's my thesis

you say the ideological underpinnings

I'm going on a vague memory and "how the fans behave"

what's the problem then?

How do I challenge this notion

That marxists are intellectually lazy and stuck in a containment ideology

No, Marx studied a lot, just check the biography

as well as Lenin, Stalin and others

they have plenty of volumes

Yeah see that's an intellectually lazy answer.

RTFM

rtfm, like mao

you're the lazy here

go read from what you don't know instead of believing the capitalist propaganda and bourgeois economy

we answered all your questions

LMAO

If I pick random Marx book some Marxist will say "oh that's the wrong one"

What's the vital volume

@OF-8 pick the right one.

The most concentrated marxpill

principles of communism

then, the communist manifesto, and capital is the definitive one

Capital is the one that made me ree

@OF-8 Anti-During by Engels describes most Marxist views outside of Capital.

liberals manipulate a lot about the labour theory of value

But I will take a look.

Its not too long.

It has to be Marx himself. No secondary sources.

in the critique of gotha's programme he says that labour isn't the source of all value

I don't need to get zizek'd

the theory is 95% true from analysis of the marxist economist Paul Cockshott

@OF-8 Engels considered as a classical Marxist source.

Principles of communism is very short

that too

I don't want to get embroiled in the pantheon of Marxist literature, I just want my insults to be sharper.

@OF-8 Its Capital and anti-During. First major works outside of more pure philosophy

@OF-8 Are you a worker?

I sell labor and other types of value

My labor has wrought a largely passive income.

you sell your labour force to a capitalist right?

My nails are very well manicured.

to a business owner?

Some yeah.

Some to non business owners.

ok

Some to regular folks in whom I may invest

do you have a business?

None of my money is in my name ^_^

So technically yeah

@OF-8 Its hard to read Marx for people who hardly can read books. Start with Engels or Stalin. In fact Stalin and Mao wrote for proletariat on their level.

So you might have a chance

Lmfao. Calm down the struggle session, bucko

I'm going with what @Blebleh suggested.

I agree Stalin and Mao are easy

Stalin wrote for the common people

But it's more to understand leninism

Reading mao in a super racist chink voice made my friends pee themselves.

Reliably. P

But yeah it's commoner focused as hell

I just see in my family

Even your racist friend could read it.

There's a worker in my family working for someone else, a business owner

and he tries to win as much as possible, making that worker work as much as possible, with less salary as possible

this workers earns just a bit in form of salary

>not being racist

the other "value" goes for the business owner

in socialism we can plan this in a form that the workers receive what they work

>able to read books