you're judging people based on their skin color

🤔

but it's not racist

yeah ok

this alone, even without looking at the fact we can measure snp's that negatively and positively correlate with iq, and that their distribution matches the pattern of iq differences we see between the races, should be enough to dismiss this ridiculous position

@Death in June North East Asians and Europeans arent a monolith

what's wrong with racism

i never said they were

there are people in Africa with higher IQ's than europeans and asians

@Death in June I agree there is a genetic difference in IQ between races. but I think assuming culture is a result of that is not correct

but that's not what we're discussing

the reason why Europeans and North East Asians have higher IQs is because they are more developed

we're not discussing statistical outliers we're discussing the aggregate

and the reason why Eastern Asia has a higher IQ than Europe is because East Asians take school very seriously

it has nothing to do with genetics

For example

Lots of students in Japan commit suicide because of shitty grades, because of family pressure

Is it okay to not hire or treat pedophiles differently because they are likely to be fucked up, why not with Africans because crime rates and iq differences

asians higher IQ because they're mode developed? china was a total shithole until like 10 years ago

do you not think that how smart they are might influence how developed they are

and yet their IQ is higher than whites

yeah but you dont have european students committing suicide because of shitty grades

because it's also cultural

East Asians take academics much more seriously than Europeans

Also, East Asia, even china, is way more developed than most of Africa

that doesn't translate into IQ thoough, you can't educate IQ

it does translate into real world success, though

I mean, if you are a farmer all your life

with no educational opportunities

your IQ is likely to be lower

because you wont be spending time exercising your brain

and yet china is a conter example

how is china a counter example?

they're farmers with higher IQ

they were farmers

were until very recently

like 50 years ago

china only sttarted to be industrialised like 15 years ago

China is a big place, and China has been fairly urbanized since ancient times

VERY recent

Lmao

China started industrializing in the 70's my guy

to a degree yes

but with literally millions of farmers still

China opened up in the 90's

like yuo can't compare western europe to china even 10 years ago

Yeah, China has a higher average IQ today

also, again

it's also partially cultural

China has always put a heavy emphasis on Education

its people

and developmental deficits due to malnutrition etc wouldn't manifest in such a short time

china isn't like the Kongo, a tropical shithole

or we would see their IQ rocket up like 30 points

China is a center of civilization

it was until recently

im not talking about malnutrition

although that probably plays a factor

farmers do exercise their brains btw

if you dropped elon musk in feudal farmland, he'd make waves

not as much as students who's sole purpose is to basically expand their knowledge

he'd invent shit, gather a following, all kinds of shit

but

how will he invent shit on a farm

he invents shit using mathematical equations and shit

farming is technological

how are you gonna apply that to tilling a field

in medieval times

IQ is general intelligence

you can be smart and dumb at farming

ok, so if you were to drop Musk in a medieval farm estate

he wouldn't be inventing shit

cuz he is dumb at farming

he wouldn't be inventing electric cars tomorrow

what would he invent?

and his opportunity to utilise that IQ would be limited

The three sisters?

yeah, that's my point

again

but it's still present

im not saying farmers are stupid

he'd still be smarter than a dumb farmer

im saying that farmers have less opportunities to invent things than students or people in a city

his farm would be better, more productive

maybe

Farmers arent stupid

agree

hence I don't think being a farmer somehow caps your IQ

like, do you seriously think you're smarter than your tribal ancestors from 10,000 years ago?

Yeah but IQ isn't just something you're born with

IQ is a mixture of things

I think there is an argument to be made that being totally removed from modern society with no exposure to spatial tarks might make you more likely to perform poorly on some IQ tasks

Yeah : >

cuz IQ isn't "natural brainpower"

well yeah, IQ is at most 80% genetic. probably 60%

it is though

IQ is a proxy for general intelligence

is that why it's considered obsolete?

IQ is a very specific type of intelligence

there are no theoretical physicists that score an IQ of 80