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2019-02-26 04:32:09 UTC

"Only God could make a universe"

2019-02-26 04:32:12 UTC

I'm guessing

2019-02-26 04:32:15 UTC

Yea

2019-02-26 04:32:18 UTC

Ok what else can?

2019-02-26 04:32:42 UTC

I can

2019-02-26 04:33:00 UTC

U can make a universe?

2019-02-26 04:33:04 UTC

Yea

2019-02-26 04:33:13 UTC

๐Ÿ˜ฑ

2019-02-26 04:33:22 UTC

Wait

2019-02-26 04:33:35 UTC

I can write a story

2019-02-26 04:33:37 UTC

Can u make a universe using nothing?

2019-02-26 04:33:45 UTC

A pencil

2019-02-26 04:33:48 UTC

Paper

2019-02-26 04:33:51 UTC

That's something

2019-02-26 04:34:04 UTC

It's a universe

2019-02-26 04:34:05 UTC

Who said the universe came from nothing?

2019-02-26 04:34:13 UTC

It came from god

2019-02-26 04:34:20 UTC

Non sequitur

2019-02-26 04:34:24 UTC

If there was something else

2019-02-26 04:34:28 UTC

That's a leap in logic

2019-02-26 04:34:33 UTC

Yea

2019-02-26 04:34:36 UTC

It is

2019-02-26 04:34:37 UTC

Then it was a universe

2019-02-26 04:34:43 UTC

What was

2019-02-26 04:35:13 UTC

The universe could have been here for ever

2019-02-26 04:35:18 UTC

And it has

2019-02-26 04:35:21 UTC

Ok

2019-02-26 04:35:33 UTC

So then ur arguing with the first part

2019-02-26 04:35:46 UTC

I can do both

2019-02-26 04:36:03 UTC

What's ur argument against the second part?

2019-02-26 04:36:40 UTC

Nothing made the universe

2019-02-26 04:37:00 UTC

Because it has no origin?

2019-02-26 04:37:07 UTC

Yes

2019-02-26 04:37:13 UTC

So it's first part

2019-02-26 04:37:13 UTC

Both are related

2019-02-26 04:37:23 UTC

Yes they are

2019-02-26 04:37:36 UTC

But it's first part can we agree on that

2019-02-26 04:38:08 UTC

Sure because time cannot exist without space

2019-02-26 04:38:14 UTC

What

2019-02-26 04:38:29 UTC

There is no time before space

2019-02-26 04:38:42 UTC

Also I said only God could create a universe

2019-02-26 04:38:52 UTC

Which u don't disagree with

2019-02-26 04:39:06 UTC

So if there's no time nothing can happen so space must have around forever

2019-02-26 04:39:19 UTC

Oh I see

2019-02-26 04:39:19 UTC

For something to happen

2019-02-26 04:39:28 UTC

Crap

2019-02-26 04:40:04 UTC

But if God is outside of time then can he not do anything?

2019-02-26 04:40:20 UTC

If he's omnipotent then he can

2019-02-26 04:40:33 UTC

Question being, what created God?

2019-02-26 04:40:37 UTC

If at least 5d

2019-02-26 04:40:45 UTC

@gohan really

2019-02-26 04:40:55 UTC

No, seriously, answer the question

2019-02-26 04:41:00 UTC

What created God?

2019-02-26 04:41:02 UTC

Nothing

2019-02-26 04:41:04 UTC

A proto-God?

2019-02-26 04:41:09 UTC

U need to be 5d to move without space

2019-02-26 04:41:12 UTC

God just is

2019-02-26 04:41:18 UTC

Then why could the universe have not come from nothing?

2019-02-26 04:41:30 UTC

Why cannot the universe just "be"?

2019-02-26 04:41:36 UTC

It can

2019-02-26 04:41:41 UTC

But because of time

2019-02-26 04:41:47 UTC

If God does not require a creator, neither does the universe

2019-02-26 04:41:55 UTC

It's kinda illogical

2019-02-26 04:42:22 UTC

Although obviously u can day the universe is god

2019-02-26 04:42:26 UTC

Say

2019-02-26 04:42:38 UTC

Btw if god is omnipotent then he his not bound by logic

2019-02-26 04:42:57 UTC

U just defeated urself

2019-02-26 04:43:35 UTC

Now I can claim whatever

2019-02-26 04:43:41 UTC

No

2019-02-26 04:43:44 UTC

Yes

2019-02-26 04:43:55 UTC

If he's not bound by logic

2019-02-26 04:44:06 UTC

Then he can create himself

2019-02-26 04:44:12 UTC

No

2019-02-26 04:44:17 UTC

No?

2019-02-26 04:44:22 UTC

No

2019-02-26 04:44:29 UTC

There's no logic to stop him

2019-02-26 04:44:32 UTC

There cant be more than one omnipotent being

2019-02-26 04:44:39 UTC

?????

2019-02-26 04:44:45 UTC

There isnt

2019-02-26 04:44:59 UTC

He can't create another

2019-02-26 04:45:01 UTC

How do you know?

2019-02-26 04:45:09 UTC

Ok

2019-02-26 04:45:16 UTC

I debate Vs battles a lot

2019-02-26 04:45:18 UTC

I'll just stop for a sec

2019-02-26 04:45:32 UTC

Omnipotent is a big thing there

2019-02-26 04:46:55 UTC

There is no evidence for god but u can make a undebunkable claim about it

2019-02-26 04:47:13 UTC

Which probably means it's not true

2019-02-26 04:47:44 UTC

Just cuz it can't be disproven means it's not true?

2019-02-26 04:47:57 UTC

I said probably

2019-02-26 04:48:36 UTC

Well then u can't know

2019-02-26 04:48:56 UTC

I tried to make my best evidence for god

2019-02-26 04:49:06 UTC

Obviously I didn't do that great

2019-02-26 04:49:10 UTC

U can debunk the argument about the existence of a omnipotent being but u can debunk any god

2019-02-26 04:49:11 UTC

So your entire argument for God's existence is "I know he must exist"

2019-02-26 04:49:19 UTC

No

2019-02-26 04:49:40 UTC

I can debunk the Christian god

2019-02-26 04:49:46 UTC

Yes

2019-02-26 04:50:03 UTC

U repeating gohans argument

2019-02-26 04:50:23 UTC

I can do that to most specific god's

2019-02-26 04:51:42 UTC

K do it to a god that's not Allah Christian or Isreal

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