If it isn't listening to your voice and analyzing it for patterns how would it know when you said "Alexa"

Mormons came to my door one day to reassure me that the world wouldn't be destroyed during the end times.

That people would survive living the in earth.

@Atkins even better, its SO much worse than that

Yeah I know

As for privacy with Alexa, you can bring up the data leaks.

yeah it was a fun convo with my mom

Or stuff like the Stasi. They'd know about that.

I was just trying to get my foot in the door to explaining the problems with these devices though.

I listened to their whole thing, twice. Then they asked me if it would be better if they didn't come back.

shes an older lass now

Or make analogies like people reading your mail.

Or HAL from 2001.

They don't get it man

Back when Trump was calling MS-13 animals

These are people who think dogs123 is a good password

I first asked my mom "Did you hear anything about trump today?"

"Yes"

or tell your parents "do you really want it listening to you having sex or talking about your white supremacist ideas?"

"About how he called people animals?"

that'll get em

"Yes."

Then they wonder why they keep having weird charges on their credit card.

"Did you hear about WHO he called animals"

"Mexicans."

"No. MS-13"

"What?"

"Mara Salvatrucha. It's a gang."

I had this whole rundown with her about how she learns the fake version of any story.

great gang

just the best

But it's no match for the amnesia.

@Atkins, well in that case, you can slip a charge onto the card (spend $0.25 or something trivial) and show them what you did it. They'll get the message.

She still hates Trump.

Despite.. me being able to uncover the lie of anything she's heard.

She's just too convinced of her own version.

THAT'S A BOOMER.

just say "Alexa, buy 30 big black dildos"

yeah, that's the mainstream news version.

how old is your mom?

Boomers are hopeless to speak to like you could speak to someone your own age.

@Scribblehatch

Old dogs do not learn new tricks.

And stop asking me ages.

what?

why?

Because I won't answer you.

@pratel they've had to cancel multiple cards. They don't get computer security at all because they can't see beyond their comfortable small town life. The world outside may as well be Rand McNally to them.

fair enough

I'm in hell

schwing

Completely different world experiences making it impossible to communicate at all. Like talking to aliens.

Coo.l Has it frozen over yet?

I wish

Found me a knife

Trying to explain algorithmic censorship to a boomer? Impossible.

This is still better than the UK

remember, up the stream not across the river

It sounds like you just don't like that your parents dont value the same stuff you do

or give a shit about it

well yeah?

its a position of relative convenience

the conversation was about explaining culture war problems to boomers to get their political support

im aware of what it was

i'm trying to take the position that it's really hard.

Yeah parents are people too

And they're vulnerable to "Got mine fuck you"

Like social security for example.

explaining culture war problems to MOST people is nearly impossible

because they generally don't have the same experience and there's no common basis upon which to explain the problem.

because why should they give a fuck

Parents know that you won't be getting social security.

they should give a fuck because we're about to abandon innocent until proven guilt in a court of law

But they see this lack of freakout and go "Well. It'll probably work itself out"

But they haven't worked out how.

current parent's, myself included, know WERE not getting social security

And neither have we.

No one has.

What the hell do we actually do when people can't retire anymore?

?

what?

is that serious?

Social security seemed like a curse more than a boon to me, for the most part

I wasn't reading your fucking messages just because you cut into the middle of my sentences.

Stop assuming I'm replying to you.

im not assuming you are faggot

I can see the purpose

And there are cases where it's absolutely necessary

im asking you a question

learn what that looks like

But it seems to inspire laziness

And give people a reason to not get employed

Social security becomes necessary when jobs don't pay enough to put savings away.

Welfare is cannibalism.

Because just dissolving social security seems to be out of the question.

Would jobs pay that bad if the social security system was non existent?

Exactly.

That's a non-option.

So what do we have left.