Message from @SeanVV

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2018-12-11 23:05:04 UTC  

To be fair to the line is succession bit, I kinda see the logic that someone trained from birth to lead would theoretically be very well suited to lead.

2018-12-11 23:05:12 UTC  

Neither is Monachy totalitarian as the rings of hierarchy were, are, clearly defined and limited

2018-12-11 23:05:40 UTC  

@MrDefault okay let's let Baron be president without knowing what kind of person he'll grow up to be

2018-12-11 23:05:41 UTC  

@Sam Southern - TN agreed 100% it just sucks that it doesnt always work out that way

2018-12-11 23:06:07 UTC  

@Sam Southern - TN If the first ruler was the one that was genetically the best of the tribe it would make sense that those genes would be passed down from father to son.

2018-12-11 23:06:37 UTC  

Imagine unironically not supporting a Barron cyber monarchy

2018-12-11 23:06:43 UTC  

this tbh ^

2018-12-11 23:07:04 UTC  

☝🏻

2018-12-11 23:07:08 UTC  

If genes determined 100% of behavior, monarchy would be great.

In real life, it's a massive dice roll.

How many of you actually turned out politically similar to your parents?

2018-12-11 23:07:08 UTC  

okay I'm out for now. Gotta finish a paper. anyone want to continue this autism later ping me

2018-12-11 23:07:32 UTC  

My jeans are cool.

2018-12-11 23:07:42 UTC  

@Jacob The church did play a huge role in filtering out unsavory monarchs.

2018-12-11 23:07:42 UTC  

I prefer basketball shorts

2018-12-11 23:08:29 UTC  

uhh ya I'd rather not give the Catholic Church any political power but that's probably not a topic for this server

2018-12-11 23:08:39 UTC  

Lol

2018-12-11 23:08:44 UTC  

Yeah

2018-12-11 23:09:01 UTC  

Rome was strongest when the Senate familial clans (the Gens) were pure and intact

2018-12-11 23:09:25 UTC  

A heritidary nobility provides a genepool for good rulers

2018-12-11 23:09:41 UTC  

This was Plato's ideal as well

2018-12-11 23:09:49 UTC  

New rules of primogeniture could be established that factor in genetic pedgree as well as accomplishments in adult life, the Gens Imperator could be renewed every generation by the election of a new rule based on a series of standards to draw from a general aristocratic class

2018-12-11 23:09:53 UTC  

There's a big debate around the role of the Aristocracy and the role it plays in a monarchy. Not a lot of love for the merchant class

2018-12-11 23:10:38 UTC  

Circulation of genes is essential but it should be slow and we'll selected

2018-12-11 23:12:08 UTC  

Selection is key for sure

2018-12-11 23:15:04 UTC  

@Perihelion - CA Incorrect. Plato actually wanted philosopher kings to not get married or have children so that they wouldn't be influenced by any interests besides the good of the Polis. He also believed that the best leaders could come from any class and be picked based on merit

2018-12-11 23:19:56 UTC  

Childless rulers have not worked well in the last 60 years, I feel that a familial bond to the nation is a must, not necesarily a hereditary government office, but a prerequisite to holding office in an established state

2018-12-11 23:20:46 UTC  

The problem is that all the monarchs have a hatred for the ideology that unseated them: nationalism. The Hapsburgs are BIG EU supporters.

2018-12-11 23:21:50 UTC  

Hapsburgs support the EU because they believe they should be the head of the EU.

2018-12-11 23:24:01 UTC  

The prince married a half-black American divorcee because the Queen needed a colored member of the family to parade around multi-racial England.

2018-12-11 23:24:11 UTC  

Monarchy is fine, hereditary monarchy is big gay

2018-12-11 23:24:17 UTC  

Also rip France again

2018-12-11 23:24:31 UTC  

Is religion of peace confirmed yet

2018-12-11 23:25:05 UTC  

I think monarch should be selected through ritualized military tribal combat conducted in the Yukon wilderness

2018-12-11 23:25:26 UTC  

Obviously this is the only way to avoid fops

2018-12-11 23:25:53 UTC  

Monarchy sucks. Absolute power is dangerous, and there's no way for a monarchy to have the people behind it now that nobody believes in divine right

2018-12-11 23:26:17 UTC  

His moral character will be tried by his ability to recruit a team of the best and most competent men to risk their lives in the trial by combat

2018-12-11 23:27:05 UTC  

absolute power doesn't exist. Even the absolute monarch had his head chopped off by peasants. Its more honest than what we have now

2018-12-11 23:27:06 UTC  

Morality arises out of teamwork being stronger than solo strength

2018-12-11 23:27:25 UTC  

See peasents and head chopping

2018-12-11 23:29:07 UTC  

Revolutions almost never succeed, and when they do they're revolutions of the bourgeoisie not the peasantry

2018-12-11 23:29:43 UTC  

I would prefer a system that is not so unstable and inflexible as to make violent revolution the primary means of change

2018-12-11 23:29:56 UTC  

Once the aristocracy lost the ear of the monarch, it was only a matter of time before the monarchy lost his head.