Ayy

Ayy

I'll be doing so.

👍

Oh, I was Pastor Anderson prior. I changed my name.

Preach!

Lel

It's essentially anarcho-primitivism, minus the ownership.

So in other words, the Paleolithic Era.

**Monarchy > Democracy**

Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?

Nah, I'm on his side. 😈

Well, it's essentially a melting pot of all different ideologies.

@Firefly
It depends.

@petit bourgeois

@@Garlic the Soviet
This is pretty much what larger servers are like.

Who let in all the spammers?!

@checkers
Uh, you're not helping this chat.

It makes sense though since here in the US, politics literally becomes a lobbied reality TV show.

Of course it's complex. So complex in fact, you get the Economic Calculation Problem. 👌😂

@petit bourgeois
Capitalism decentralizes all economic calculations to the most local and individualized level. This is essentially what the price system was for to begin with, where resource allocation is indirectly controlled through private ownership and trade, which leads to what is known as spontaneous order. Another term for this is Adam Smith's Invisible Hand.

@petit bourgeois
Supply and demand is one of the dynamics carried out in the market in regards to the rate of trade and production, since all decisions are ultimately voluntary.

Right now, almost none of them. The Right-libertarians have moved on with their lives, and the authoritarian Right (ex: Neocons) is too focused on geopolitics and war as of now. The exception being the Neo-Nazis.

Yo

I find it mind-blowing how China is now more capitalist than America.

They were essentially stolen after the Ottoman Empire collapsed and America imperialistically annexed a whole region of land right where the Palestinians were living.

Middle Eastern Manifest Destiny

When an ideology sees separation as an illusion, it proceeds to treat everything as such. Invasion and cooperation become indistinguishable.

Might Makes Right

So do I.

I've been told by so many people that human rights are entirely given by whatever power structure exists. That's essentially nothing more but a self-fulfilling prophecy. How do I even reason with these people at this point?

Now I see why there is a call for Revolution. The time for arguments has passed, because there is none left...

Yeeet

Irony is the best weapon.

You know what my morality is? You reap what you sow. They think Might Makes Right? They'll get it. xD

There's nothing to gain out of it and a sum to lose.

Lol

Yeet

@Firefly
Social justice can actually be a poison to communism?

Interesting new approach. The last people I've seen argue in that way have been Sargon of Akkad and George Orwell.

@Firefly
Aside from the politically active advocates who contributed significantly to numerous economic Revolutions throughout the world.

They're an obvious group, but it's been a long time since I've last seen conflict between Leftists and Communists.

@John Doe
True dat

Microaggressions are literally nothing in comparison to issues that affect the very economic foundation of society.

@Firefly
So it's not just libertarian fascism that's accumulating on the Right to push forward an effective political strategy.

@Ladifour
Well, it's essentially property rights on steroids.

No, acid more like.

@Santa Claauz
I believe we'd actually make more progress on debating real issues if we just got rid of these trivial degenerates from the platform first.

@Santa Claauz
I've noticed that there has been in fact a change. It used to be that the Left debated over the economic and moral efficacy of exclusive property claims. Now it's been hijacked by entitled edgy wannabe narcissists who care about nothing more than their ego and self-gratification.

@not_matt
Preach!

@Santa Claauz
Well this is a very diverse group. Not sure if you were told this yet, but I'm an anarcho-capitalist actually, so my approach, means, and end might differ altogether.

But with that being said, to the extent of my knowledge I am convinced that the whole minority rights movement is completely bogus in this age and even deliberately skewed against white people. More specifically, white males. This is coming from a Filipino American citizen, and I haven't seen any level of favoritism on the basis of race anywhere in the US...with the exception of blacks and Hispanics.

@not_matt
Well you got affirmative action.

@Santa Claauz
Well, this _is_ where my ethics diverge altogether, since I advocate exclusive claims.

@not_matt
Ah, I just had a discussion with my commie friend a while back on the Poverty Cycle.

@Deleted User
I conclude that the fact that our perspective on our control of the world around us affects how we behave and undertake responsibility in the real world implies our ability to have free will; the capacity to make decisions that are irreducible to subconscious parameters: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0002764213506215

@★ Commissar Regi ★
The US government.

Corporatocracy.

@dontchewglass
I argue that it isn't capitalism unless all transactions are exclusively private and voluntary, which implies a free market. Corporatism is what you end up with when you start a nation with a _preexisting_ government infrastructure to interfere in the economy and draw out taxes and impose regulations and fees in order to sustain itself, which wouldn't be capitalism since the entire infrastructure requires coercion in order to sustain.

@Deleted User
No one argues for maximal autonomy. Also, I'm an anarcho-capitalist, lol.

I essentially deny Marx and Engel's Dialectical Materialism framework of metaphysics.

@Mawk
Postmodernism can be summed up in one word: Deconstruction. What this means is that it's a framework of philosophy that questions and dismantles every single value system as a byproduct of history with no inherent merit. It's known now as Critical Theory.

@★ Commissar Regi ★
Difference between government and a business is that the government requires force, while a business requires the consumer's consent.

Humanitarianism.
Utilitarianism.
Christian ethics.

@Deleted User
I argue otherwise, because it presupposes the naturalistic framework while dismissing the only verifiability that is subjective experience, i.e idealism:
http://link.springer.com/article/10.3758%2Fs13423-015-0890-8

@Deleted User
Can you prove that? Is a materialistic framework more verifiable than a subjective one, where the only thing you're ever actually able to verify is your own direct experiential perception?

@Deleted User
Yes.

@Deleted User
Logically speaking you can't prove that atoms and the void are all that exists when your mind is actually all you really have. I argue that it's not matter or energy that is the most fundamental, but information; defined simply as whatever subjective pattern that is.

@Deleted User
It's already self-evident as verification.

Lel Nietzsche's Will to Power

This world: a monster of energy, without beginning, without end; a firm, iron magnitude of force that does not grow bigger or smaller, that does not expend itself but only transforms itself; as a whole, of unalterable size, a household without expenses or losses, but likewise without increase or income; enclosed by "nothingness" as by a boundary; not something blurry or wasted, not something endlessly extended, but set in a definite space as a definite force, and not a sphere that might be "empty" here or there, but rather as force throughout, as a play of forces and waves of forces, at the same time one and many, increasing here and at the same time decreasing there; a sea of forces flowing and rushing together, eternally changing, eternally flooding back, with tremendous years of recurrence, with an ebb and a flood of its forms; out of the simplest forms striving toward the most complex, out of the stillest, most rigid, coldest forms toward the hottest, most turbulent, most self -contradictory, and then again returning home to the simple out of this abundance, out of the play of contradictions back to the joy of concord, still affirming itself in this uniformity of its courses and its years, blessing itself as that which must return eternally, as a becoming that knows no satiety, no disgust, no weariness: this, my Dionysian world of the eternally self -creating, the eternally self- destroying, this mystery world of the twofold voluptuous delight, my "beyond good and evil," without goal, unless the joy of the circle is itself a goal; without will, unless a ring feels good will toward itself--do you want a name for this world? A solution for all its riddles? A light for you, too, you best-concealed, strongest, most intrepid, most midnightly men?-- This world is the will to power— and nothing besides! And you yourselves are also this will to power— and nothing besides!

@Deleted User
@danman1950
That's an excerpt from Friedrich Nietzsche's Will to Power.

@Deleted User
Whoa. Is that what philosophy really is like? Armchair ramblings?

@Deleted User
Thanks for the advice. xD

@Mawk
If you read many of his writings, he appears as such.

@Mawk
He was incredibly pretentious and speculative when formulating his existential philosophy. He didn't really formalize it, but he did conceive of ideas that were formulated previously.

@Zielgerät
My philosophy doesn't exclusively reduce down to solipsism. It's a more developed framework of idealism where, in this case, language would originate from systems of information. This is an epistemic realism position, although there are many variations of it that deal with the underlying metaphysics. The _basic_ idea is that the World is an interface. Call it a simulation if you may.

Instead of Bit from It, you get It from Bit. This concept reduces all of material reality to code that could potentially be replicated on a quantum computer, and theoretical physicists today are using this Information-Theoretic approach as a replacement for this previous spacetime-centric worldview, which was significantly more constrained. They've managed instead to reduce things to a more basic level, where networks and relations are actually more fundamental than the objects they are allegedly derived from.

@Deleted User
Well no. This is simply a novel view of the world that could actually yield more fruit than our current materialistic framework that puts everything in a box rather than seeing nature as it is. I plan on learning more about physics through this approach, as it's what many physicists have explained could lead to the Theory of Everything, reconciling quantum mechanics with general relativity. Our current framework isn't capable of doing that; but this one aims to do so: http://www.quantumgravityresearch.org/publications

20th century is materialism.
21st century is informational realism.

I leave it at that, lol.

We really are animals after all.

@@★ Commissar Regi ★
Wait, "Russian link"?

@★ Commissar Regi ★
I'm certain it's yet another false flag with a set of speculation. They've been digging into this since his election and nothing's been found still.

@Deleted User
That's what I was thinking, since sufficient education fundamentally requires intrinsic motivation in the first place.

@slack
What's your worldview?

@slack
Does that essentially mean that the world is controlled by a globalist Elite?

@Deleted User

Oh, I forgot that equality isn't sufficient.

These are some of the spiciest memes I've seen yet.

@Deleted User
What's your current position?

@Firefly
Welcome to an open server.

@Deleted User
What's your supposed solution to that endless cycle of creative destruction now?

@Deleted User
A transformation. Interesting.

@Deleted User
Right now I see rationalism as the closest ideology to that solution.

@Deleted User
Ah, that is _much_ clearer now. Initially I found your view very ambiguous and hazy, but this explains a lot more of it now. I can finally take a step in the right research direction.

Or it could just be ensuring the individual's orientation towards the common good.

@Deleted User
Well as of yet, I find Star Trek to be a good candidate for what you could represent.

@slack
That's definitely something that should be considered, since many of the colonies that Great Britain established throughout the world became the modern First-World regions we now have today, and this is explicitly shown in places like the Pearl River Delta.

Have you heard of Kabbalah?