Michael IN

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That really sucks. Glad you're ok though. We have two new Indiana interviewees around the Louisville KY area and I guess Billy has been with them today, they're members of some active club. I'm trying to figure out a way that we could all get together for an action and meet with them this Monday.

The best in between city I see is Columbus, which is I think like an hour thirty from you. So I wanted to see if you'd be available for that and if your car is in good enough condition.

What was the banner?

Damn. I should have made it out there today but I've been doing work + PF stuff every day since before the event so wanted to finally relax for a bit when I got off this afternoon

Awesome. Yeah I got my 70$ order at the event which would usually be a ridiculous amount of stickers but I think they must have either shorted me or charged more for stencils than what I was told

Either way, I had to split my promat package between Adam, Robert, Victor, and possibly the new guys

Hopefully we can all be loaded up soon.

They are notorious for being slow at sending stuff out but I'll do my best to keep us busy. So you've missed a couple important meetings so I want to stress that this is a really crucial time for PF and our actions right now during the next few weeks will determine how we're seen in the next year.

Is there a reason you haven't gotten Threema?

It really helps to stay connected and up to date and we bullshit there.

I understand promat is tight but I've got to start making sure everyone is making an effort where we can with whatever it may be.

This should let you add me https://threema.id/C3DDBA9W

Shoot a message and I'll add you to the chat

Are you off on certain days or is it an irregular schedule?

I would like to do a PF banner drop in/around Lafayette in the near future

My gf is screaming at me to go eat dinner. We will coordinate a time that works for everyone to do this pretty soon. I have a plan to revisit the Floyd BLM mural as well but want to try to figure out some legal questions before that

I have had very little interaction with Robert. Adam IN knows him best but I know he's already been contacted regarding this.

My only interactions with him were shortly before the march, I asked him some general questions about how he heard about PF which he replied that he kept seeing posts about us online and looked more into it, how long he'd identified with fascism which he said he's always identified with nationalism but fascism more in the last couple years. I told him he reminded me of myself when I was 19. He seems very enthusiastic and passionate about being a part of things and has made it to every meeting we've had since joining, in which he's pretty talkative and giving good ideas. I trust in Adam's judgement and from what I've heard, he is "90% sure" that Robert is a college student deeply into Catholicism.

Regarding @Victor IN ... I nor anyone in PF saw anything from him in the months of being here prior to our intervention call with Billy IN, which for reference happened on October 10th.
As you may remember, Billy told us that Victor and himself were kicked out by Billy's mother and was unsure what Victor would do if not return to Tennessee. Well, I assumed he was gone and no longer with us because of this. Then, all the time later, as I'm headed towards the event, Ethan IN (Billy & Victor's friend) texts me that he (Ethan) just had a car wreck, cannot go to the event and that he doesn't know how Victor will get there now.

I realize that he has been here all of this time, -- FIVE months -- and has had zero presence whatsoever, and is now on the way to an event which we have been having meetings and meet ups to prep for. The next thing I hear about him is @Alan MI calling on Threema, as @ND - Ryan OH and I are entering Ohio, "hey can you guys come back and pick up Victor Indiana? His ride here is undriveable from last night." So, Victor was picked up by Oklahoma guys who passed through Indianapolis, and upon seeing that his only ride there was unusable, made no effort to contact anyone about any of the Indiana guys who were in the same parking lot with him all night. We didn't even know he was in Indiana, let alone at the march.

The Michigan guys ended up having to drive him somewhere in Ohio, give him money out of their own pockets for a hotel, food, and cigarettes, then have Adam IN drive 4 or so hours to deliver him to ME, where I had to drive 5 hours to get him to his drop off, costing me $30 in gas. Apparently he has DUI's which is why he couldn't get a rental home, and is too impoverished to have any money whatsoever for Ubers, let alone pay us back.

I messaged him some of my issues with what had transpired. He told me that until recently, he had no idea that PF members besides Billy were anywhere around the area. This is an obvious lie to save himself. He has been in our Indiana group chat since he joined which is fairly active. I planned one thousand percent to have him removed after I got him home. But after meeting and talking to him I discovered he isn't quite the retard his actions told me he was. I told him all of my concerns to which he owned up to, and promised to be communicative and active from here on out now that we are acquainted. He told me attending the event was like a religious experience. He seems actually quite knowledgeable about history and different ideologies. I told him I will give him another chance but from here on out he is either one of us or he's out. I gave him two packs of stickers from my promat order, he went out and did a sticker run a couple days later and has been responsive to all messaging since.

Regarding @Billy IN - I was very close to asking he be removed prior to meeting with Victor and him explaining some things to me. Since our call with him on October 10, he has become much more responsive to all messages, he has improved in joining meetings, and joined/was put into the fitness recovery program, albeit I'm told that he misses their meetings and is not very active there. He has not improved in activism and has had Two sticker runs since our call that I'm aware of, one of which I had to force him to do. He is full of excuses for continuously not being active and I honestly do not know how truthful any of it is. He did not attend the Ohio hike because Ethan's car broke down. He did not attend the DC march because he got a positive Covid result the day before the march. Ethan didn't come because he had a car wreck texting Billy while driving. Billy saying he can't do stickering because he's out of promat... I told these things to Victor, who assured me that they're all true. That Billy most likely had Covid for at least a week prior but had just then gotten the result, and that Ethan really did wreck trying to message them.

Another concern I've had is that I was made aware that Billy is a recurring guest on Matthew Heimbach's National Bolshevik podcast. It doesn't sit right with me that our guys associate with infamous anti-fascist, anti-racist, self proclaimed Communist figures who works with BLM. I listened to about an hour of one of these episodes in which Billy identifies as a Socialist and mocks anti-Communists/the JQ: "aw durrr it's aalll jews, jews are the only reason people want better material conditions its cuz a jewss". He has previously fought tooth and nail with Gerard and I that Jews had anything to do with the rise of Communism especially in the Russian Revolution. So, again, I told these concerns to Victor, saying that I don't want to split hairs over little differences of opinion, but I cannot tolerate anything that is opposed to the fundamentals of our movement or organization. He told me that he, Billy, and Ethan are all Nazbols, and that it does not conflict with our fundamentals and is its own type of Fascism. I told him I admittedly don't have that much knowledge about Strasserism/Nazbolism, and he said that they basically have different views especially regarding class, the economy and historical events.

He told me he's known Billy since they were kids and that even though Billy is retarded, he means well and his heart is in the right place and is definitely not a subversive element. He told me they are apparently friends with Heimbach in person and tried convincing me that he is trustworthy too, which I will never believe.

Victor also clarified that neither he nor Billy were kicked out of Billy's house, they left of their own choice because Billy's mom was strung out on drugs. I told him that one of Billy's conditions upon joining PF was for him to get transportation and it's been a year or so now and nothing has happened. He said that Billy's mom does absolutely nothing so Billy's money usually goes towards paying the utilities.

I said this to Jason NY earlier:

I have had very little interaction with Robert. Adam IN knows him best but I know he's already been contacted regarding this.

My only interactions with him were shortly before the march, I asked him some general questions about how he heard about PF which he replied that he kept seeing posts about us online and looked more into it, how long he'd identified with fascism which he said he's always identified with nationalism but fascism more in the last couple years. I told him he reminded me of myself when I was 19. He seems very enthusiastic and passionate about being a part of things and has made it to every meeting we've had since joining, in which he's pretty talkative and giving good ideas. I trust in Adam's judgement and from what I've heard, he is "95% sure" that Robert is a college student deeply into Catholicism.

From what I've heard, their only reason for suspecting him is that his interviewee channel is online more often than normal

Very impressive artwork tbh, must've cost a fortune

Is there a reason for adding Carter to the Indiana channel? Just wondering

He did but he asked my permission

It is a lot for one man to handle hahah

I noticed lol, I appreciate it. He wasn't able to join our last meeting so I wanted to let him know what plans we were working on and tell him what I expect of him and that I'm taking a chance with him

That's alright. We have some plans in the works and I'm staying on top of 'em the best I can. Victor went out and stickered a couple days ago.

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