Message from @Atkins

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2018-09-11 00:34:30 UTC  

oh, he made a vid, that's what u guys are talking about.

2018-09-11 00:35:24 UTC  

ya, definitely a disagree with him, but only because he hasn't completely thought the idea through. It's like a house with many rooms, more rooms is fine and dandy and good, but it has to be built on a solid foundation.

2018-09-11 00:37:53 UTC  

and in the same house

2018-09-11 00:38:13 UTC  

gonna have problems if someone from a different house says one of your rooms is actually part of their house

2018-09-11 00:39:17 UTC  

There's a lot of potential for conflating race and culture when talking about the diversity argument.

2018-09-11 00:39:33 UTC  

well that just complicates my simile

2018-09-11 00:39:54 UTC  

I don't think there's much room for argument against diversity of genes (maybe excepting genes predisposing people to diseease).

2018-09-11 00:40:06 UTC  

i'm taking diversity to the most general definition.

2018-09-11 00:40:15 UTC  

But certain cultures have really shitty ideas that out to be shitcanned.

2018-09-11 00:40:19 UTC  

even if you both are talking about culture, there is a line between enjoying mexican food on some nights and making a part of town that speaks only Spanish and calls everyone white dirty Americans.

2018-09-11 00:41:38 UTC  

Is it a good idea to embrace pederasty because it's part of different cultures?

2018-09-11 00:41:44 UTC  

having a section of a city that is under sharia law is not a strong city. but forcing everyone to be Christian isn't a strength either.

2018-09-11 00:41:57 UTC  

Imagine if you have a goal, the goal is to win a math competition. One team has nothing but mathematicians. The other team has a cook, a carpenter, a telemarketer, a pizza delivery man, etc. Who do you think is more likely to reach the goal?

2018-09-11 00:43:00 UTC  

there needs to be something unifying. otherwise it doesn't matter if you have someone who can fit in the hole if they refuse to go through the hole

2018-09-11 00:43:16 UTC  

exactly. in genetics, the unifying force is life.

2018-09-11 00:43:17 UTC  

Tucker's argument wasn't that everyone needs to be the same; Tucker's argument was that there needs to be some common basis around which a functional society can be formed. Some minimum agreed upon cultural norms.

2018-09-11 00:43:34 UTC  

everyone in a country should at least speak 1 language. you can speak more but everyone needs to speak 1.

2018-09-11 00:43:41 UTC  

for example

2018-09-11 00:44:07 UTC  

well, i would say the goal changes and that's what I asked earlier. mentioning chaos in a box. What's the box?

2018-09-11 00:44:12 UTC  

In western cultures that is generally democratic participation in governance, separation of church and state, assumption of innocence, unbiased disinterested courts, rule-of-law, etc

2018-09-11 00:44:44 UTC  

Sharia law, for example, is fundamentally incompatible with western civilization.

2018-09-11 00:44:48 UTC  

an emphasis on individual rights too?

2018-09-11 00:44:53 UTC  

Not sure that's really the case anymore...and that's where ppl have a problem with diversity.

2018-09-11 00:45:12 UTC  

the west isn't very western currently

2018-09-11 00:45:18 UTC  

its like post-western

2018-09-11 00:45:19 UTC  

they don't know what the box is, what the goal is, what the foundation is. Diversity can only be a strength when there is a commonality.

2018-09-11 00:46:09 UTC  

in his genetic example. Change the species, you have a cat and a dog. Is that diversity a strength?

2018-09-11 00:46:18 UTC  

do we need people who are diseased and dying? is that a strength? i mean, you are not diverse if you don't have failed genes along with surviving ones

2018-09-11 00:46:55 UTC  

If we want to continue the analogy of genetic diversity, eventually you get to the point where there is so much diversity within a gene pool that speciation happens and interbreeding stops being possible.

2018-09-11 00:47:42 UTC  

So, like I said. I agree diversity can be a strenght, but I disagree that it must be.

2018-09-11 00:47:55 UTC  

Agreed.

2018-09-11 00:48:14 UTC  

legal immigration is a way of ensuring diversity that is a strength

2018-09-11 00:48:29 UTC  

but thats wasict

2018-09-11 00:49:27 UTC  

ok, ima watch the rest now, maybe he covers these points in what i haven't watched.

2018-09-11 00:49:45 UTC  

then again, its racist to say you don't want your daughter to be raped if the local rape gang is known to be muslim

2018-09-11 00:49:55 UTC  

and i mean known...to the police known.

2018-09-11 00:50:00 UTC  

if you're still watching the Tucker video, I think that's most of the point Tim made.

2018-09-11 00:50:26 UTC  

Are you in the UK, Grenade123?

2018-09-11 00:50:46 UTC  

his fault is assuming that Tucker wasn't making the same point

2018-09-11 00:50:48 UTC  

and no, why?

2018-09-11 00:51:16 UTC  

Oh, that comment about the rape gang known to the police sounds like something people talk about concerning the UK.