Paradox of tolerance. We have lost confidence in the idea that our core beliefs with respect to law, governance, epistemology, metaphysics, human nature, etc, are correct.

Yep. There's a bedrock of culture that needs to be shared for people to coexist peacefully.

One thing Tucker pointed out was language.

If you literaly can't communiate with someone you can't really interact meaningfully.

A big part of diversity is assimilation which is when the people who enter a community leave their bad ideals behind and only bring in good new ones. What is gong on now isn’t that kind of diversity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIb2lmHgd5s

Also you can get diversity of thought by visiting other places without needing to import people.

Or via the internet

Like how Tim was saying he goes into conservative spaces.

@Timcast I'm curious, did you think Turcker was talking about Diversity of Thought?

Bringing in people with vastly different beliefs and expecting them to change/become a net positive isn’t always based in reality.

Bringing in is the key phrase

If people can make it in via the normal process, want to join the society etc then I see 0 issues

If they want to join and will change to fit in.

Part of joining a group is adopting some of the practices of the group

If you show up and refuse to participate you haven't really joined anything

There's a big difference between someone willing to work hard and play by the rules and put down something to be included vs. people just being imported without any real sacrifice on their part.

Yes you don’t get to join a group and then force the group to be like you.

(See Islam)

I've said this before, here and elsewhere, but I often find that people who deliberately move here are way more patriotic and defensive of western values than those born here

Because they chose to be here, and worked for it, and because they can see the cultural differences

Whereas a lot of people in the west have gone culture-blind when it comes to their own nation

Depends. If they're second generation in an ethnic enclave they're likely to experience problems.

They don't want to lose what they just worked so hard to get.

by "here" you mean the US right?

People who move have merit (if the immigration system is done properly). People who are born somewhere didn’t have to work to be there.

my Dem candidate is pro public option thank fucking god

Well I specifically mean Leafland, but it's applicable elsewhere

Make someone work for something and they'll be more apt to treasure it. Give someone something for free and they could just as easily toss it as "easy come, easy go."

it's applicable to legal migrants, that usually go there _because_ of the values of the country

in Europe it's the reverse though

they come for the free stuff

Recent migrants maybe

But Indians came to the UK before then. They came here too. And they're working hard and paying into the system. They're contributing

The problem is that the EU dropped standards in a panic

Polish people go to the UK, have kids, go back to their country and still collect welfare. It's being done for a long while

And took on numbers they couldn't possibly handle

so not just recent migrants

Interesting

That's easily fixed though innit

In Canada we don't do the anchor baby stuff