Message from @CreativeRealms

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2018-09-11 01:07:37 UTC  

Or that it's OK to exclude people based on inherent characteristics. These notions are very shocking to liberals.

2018-09-11 01:07:57 UTC  

So they patronize them.

2018-09-11 01:08:27 UTC  

I remember that Nacirema from back in high school sociology class.

2018-09-11 01:08:54 UTC  

Part of the reason Islam gets a pass in extreme liberal communities. They don't really believe that some muslims have such views. They think there's a misinterpretation or misunderstanding somewhere, or that they're being tricked or deceived.

2018-09-11 01:09:24 UTC  

That the Muslims are somehow victims for having these beliefs.

2018-09-11 01:10:07 UTC  

An entire religion of victims. That's liberal paydirt.

2018-09-11 01:10:12 UTC  

I think they look at Muslims seeing the Koran the same way that *they* view the Bible.

2018-09-11 01:10:21 UTC  

And some totally do.

2018-09-11 01:10:34 UTC  

That it's just an old book with a bunch of outdated rules.

2018-09-11 01:12:08 UTC  

Had a Kuwaiti roommate once that gave zero fucks. But I think it's a safe bet that the old beliefs are widely held. Shapiro did a video on it.

2018-09-11 01:12:23 UTC  

Anyway, when the fundamentals of the west are being asked to be changed. That we are individuals, that we have rights and responsiblities, that we are all the same under the law, etc. That kind of diversity is not a strength. That's a recipe for chaos.

2018-09-11 01:13:12 UTC  

As we can see being played out...

2018-09-11 01:13:30 UTC  

Paradox of tolerance. We have lost confidence in the idea that our core beliefs with respect to law, governance, epistemology, metaphysics, human nature, etc, are correct.

2018-09-11 01:13:45 UTC  

Yep. There's a bedrock of culture that needs to be shared for people to coexist peacefully.

2018-09-11 01:14:01 UTC  

One thing Tucker pointed out was language.

2018-09-11 01:14:23 UTC  

If you literaly can't communiate with someone you can't really interact meaningfully.

2018-09-11 01:17:48 UTC  

A big part of diversity is assimilation which is when the people who enter a community leave their bad ideals behind and only bring in good new ones. What is gong on now isn’t that kind of diversity.

2018-09-11 01:20:04 UTC  

Also you can get diversity of thought by visiting other places without needing to import people.

2018-09-11 01:20:17 UTC  

Or via the internet

2018-09-11 01:20:27 UTC  

Like how Tim was saying he goes into conservative spaces.

2018-09-11 01:20:44 UTC  

@Timcast I'm curious, did you think Turcker was talking about Diversity of Thought?

2018-09-11 01:21:41 UTC  

Bringing in people with vastly different beliefs and expecting them to change/become a net positive isn’t always based in reality.

2018-09-11 01:21:53 UTC  

Bringing in is the key phrase

2018-09-11 01:22:26 UTC  

If people can make it in via the normal process, want to join the society etc then I see 0 issues

2018-09-11 01:22:56 UTC  

If they want to join and will change to fit in.

2018-09-11 01:23:16 UTC  

Part of joining a group is adopting some of the practices of the group

2018-09-11 01:23:32 UTC  

If you show up and refuse to participate you haven't really joined anything

2018-09-11 01:23:45 UTC  

There's a big difference between someone willing to work hard and play by the rules and put down something to be included vs. people just being imported without any real sacrifice on their part.

2018-09-11 01:23:52 UTC  

Yes you don’t get to join a group and then force the group to be like you.

2018-09-11 01:24:17 UTC  

(See Islam)

2018-09-11 01:24:35 UTC  

I've said this before, here and elsewhere, but I often find that people who deliberately move here are way more patriotic and defensive of western values than those born here

2018-09-11 01:25:02 UTC  

Because they chose to be here, and worked for it, and because they can see the cultural differences

2018-09-11 01:25:26 UTC  

Whereas a lot of people in the west have gone culture-blind when it comes to their own nation

2018-09-11 01:25:33 UTC  

Depends. If they're second generation in an ethnic enclave they're likely to experience problems.

2018-09-11 01:25:35 UTC  

They don't want to lose what they just worked so hard to get.

2018-09-11 01:25:41 UTC  

by "here" you mean the US right?

2018-09-11 01:25:42 UTC  

People who move have merit (if the immigration system is done properly). People who are born somewhere didn’t have to work to be there.

2018-09-11 01:25:47 UTC  

my Dem candidate is pro public option thank fucking god

2018-09-11 01:26:12 UTC  

Well I specifically mean Leafland, but it's applicable elsewhere

2018-09-11 01:26:12 UTC  

Make someone work for something and they'll be more apt to treasure it. Give someone something for free and they could just as easily toss it as "easy come, easy go."