Message from @Paradox
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What about in France where some McDonalds franchise owners put up signs saying "no women allowed". It's not all McDonald's. You can just go to another. Is that diversity?
it's diversity amongst mcdonalds.
some allow, some don't, that is diversity.
Just make us fat McDonald’s please
Diversity of law breaking. White collar crime. Violent crime. Nonviolent crime. Drug crime. Miscegenation. Slavery. And it goes on...
this is why i think tim's thought was just not thought out completely. maybe he was rushed, or maybe his leftist bubble is real 😛
I think the main problem is that when someone says "diversity" you get a different answer per person.
He's probably just not playing devil's advocate enough and being far, far, FAR too generous when it comes to assuming people are 'good' or like him.
likely.
Like that black Apple diversity woman who got fired for saying that 12 white men could be diverse for having different backgrounds.
A lot of the liberals I know have this inherent believe that people from other cultures think exactly like them, and that the only differences are different languages, cloths, food, music, etc.
context, that's why i took it to the most general definition. differences
Like if you strip away the superficial differences that people from other cultures would share the same beliefs with respect to the role of religion, justice, government, family, gender, etc.
there was actually an interesting paper a teacher handed out that kind of pointed the differences in perspective of cultures out.
Then they're shocked when a man from Jordan or Syria is completely against the idea of their sister or daughter working and living independently.
But even there you run into a problem if a certain person just doesn't follow their culture's norms/beliefs/what-have-you.
it was describing standard things that americans take for granted, in a very odd way, the way an outsider might see them. To show us, how our perspectives are different.
Oh yeah I'm not saying to pigeonhole people or pre-judge people based on their nationality.
No, I think I just jumped to the conclusion you were making.
I'm saying that you can't take it for granted that all people everywhere believe in the same basic philosophy you do.
Some people might legitimately believe there is a role for religion in government, or that families must have the final say in who you marry.
Or that it's OK to exclude people based on inherent characteristics. These notions are very shocking to liberals.
So they patronize them.
I remember that Nacirema from back in high school sociology class.
Part of the reason Islam gets a pass in extreme liberal communities. They don't really believe that some muslims have such views. They think there's a misinterpretation or misunderstanding somewhere, or that they're being tricked or deceived.
That the Muslims are somehow victims for having these beliefs.
An entire religion of victims. That's liberal paydirt.
I think they look at Muslims seeing the Koran the same way that *they* view the Bible.
And some totally do.
That it's just an old book with a bunch of outdated rules.
Had a Kuwaiti roommate once that gave zero fucks. But I think it's a safe bet that the old beliefs are widely held. Shapiro did a video on it.
Anyway, when the fundamentals of the west are being asked to be changed. That we are individuals, that we have rights and responsiblities, that we are all the same under the law, etc. That kind of diversity is not a strength. That's a recipe for chaos.
As we can see being played out...
Paradox of tolerance. We have lost confidence in the idea that our core beliefs with respect to law, governance, epistemology, metaphysics, human nature, etc, are correct.
Yep. There's a bedrock of culture that needs to be shared for people to coexist peacefully.
One thing Tucker pointed out was language.
If you literaly can't communiate with someone you can't really interact meaningfully.
A big part of diversity is assimilation which is when the people who enter a community leave their bad ideals behind and only bring in good new ones. What is gong on now isn’t that kind of diversity.
Also you can get diversity of thought by visiting other places without needing to import people.