Message from @devpav

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2018-09-14 21:58:50 UTC  

I get into this argument a lot around here so I don't want to get sidetracked. So we'll agree to leave it at this. You think there's going to be a red wave, I think there's going to be a blue one.

2018-09-14 21:59:09 UTC  

I think the GOP will gain at least 3 seats in the Senate.

2018-09-14 21:59:09 UTC  

By any means, the current congress should *really* be looking into this censorship while they still have a chance.

2018-09-14 21:59:19 UTC  

What about the House?

2018-09-14 21:59:28 UTC  

The GOP will hold the House.

2018-09-14 21:59:49 UTC  

I think the GOP will lose the house solidly. Not sure what happens in the Senate.

2018-09-14 22:00:06 UTC  

But again, I think this stuff needs to be taken care of *now*

2018-09-14 22:00:13 UTC  

Regardless of November.

2018-09-14 22:00:45 UTC  

And do vote, I have very strong doubts the Democrats will do anything but frame censorship and destruction of privacy into law.

2018-09-14 22:00:46 UTC  

Anonymity has already been confirmed as a right by the Supreme Court.

2018-09-14 22:01:15 UTC  

...you do know it's usually Republican-nominated judges who limit the rights under 4th, right?

2018-09-14 22:01:32 UTC  

Sure?

2018-09-14 22:01:38 UTC  

Doesn't mean anything about social media.

2018-09-14 22:01:45 UTC  

'Hate speech' has been obliterated by the Supreme Court as a source of legal liability for social media platforms, too.

2018-09-14 22:01:49 UTC  

Remember that whole "unlock the Apple phone" fiasco?

2018-09-14 22:02:06 UTC  

@devpav Has it? Show me the opinion.

2018-09-14 22:02:30 UTC  

They've said that hate speech isn't a valid restriction on speech from the government point of view, but that does leave it open for private entities.

2018-09-14 22:02:37 UTC  

Anyhow, I'm not doing it. They can lock me up.

2018-09-14 22:02:44 UTC  

Don't give a fuck.

2018-09-14 22:02:49 UTC  

Matal v. Tam

2018-09-14 22:02:59 UTC  

"You don't have a right to the platform" is legally correct (if not morally) until the social media platforms become recognized as a public square or common carrier.

2018-09-14 22:03:11 UTC  

Or as a monopoly.

2018-09-14 22:03:31 UTC  

^

2018-09-14 22:03:56 UTC  

Also, Matal v. Tam is government again.

2018-09-14 22:04:03 UTC  

It's the patent office.

2018-09-14 22:04:34 UTC  

The public/private distinction is an area FIRE has to dance around with alot. It's much easier for them to go after Public Universities than Private ones.

2018-09-14 22:04:35 UTC  

It's 1A jurisprudence regarding 'hate speech'.

2018-09-14 22:04:45 UTC  

Doesn't matter for social media platforms.

2018-09-14 22:04:54 UTC  

Atleast legally.

2018-09-14 22:05:15 UTC  

This is why I think it's so key to recognize very large social media platforms as a public square or something similar.

2018-09-14 22:05:32 UTC  

It means there's no CDA 230 exemption for hate speech.

2018-09-14 22:06:20 UTC  

Grenade found a nice video explaining that CDA 230 is somewhat misunderstood. It allows moderation under some kind of terms.

2018-09-14 22:08:07 UTC  

I'm not entirely sure what to make of it all. The wording of the law would suggest some kind of public square situation and would seem to suggest they have to carry political speech neutrally. But, if so, it hasn't worked out in lawsuits. Prager's lawsuit got dismissed pretty quickly and I'm sure he would have looked into it.

2018-09-14 22:08:44 UTC  

Frankly, very large social media as a public square should have been implemented awhile ago. Require that neutral platforms perform neutral treatment.

2018-09-14 22:09:25 UTC  

The Tech companies pushed Net Neutrality against the Telecoms (who were much better behaved on this issue IMHO). As far as I'm concerned, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

2018-09-14 22:10:19 UTC  

FWIW, Grenade seems to be of the stance CDA 230 should be repealed. I think that might just be counterproductive. But something clearly needs to change.

2018-09-14 22:10:40 UTC  

I'm also interested in looking at this from the angle of social media monopolies using their platforms to fix elections.

2018-09-14 22:11:43 UTC  

I am too. This actually is how Hayes got elected.

(from the guy who termed Net Neutrality--and singled out Google as needing it): https://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/12/books/review/excerpt-the-master-switch.html

2018-09-14 22:23:15 UTC  

Actually, @Timcast if you want to make a sensational vid that would get people more than a little riled up, Wu's take in the book is the kind of thing that would get people more than a little on edge. The election of 1876 was always highly contentious (the second election in which the popular vote winner lost--and the only one in which an outright majority of the country was opposed to the winner [the other elections have all had small voter turnouts to where it was only a plurality opposed]) and Wu states the negotiated compromise may have been because of leaked cables from the telegram monopoly.