Message from @xorgy

Discord ID: 492364620191760394


2018-09-20 15:57:45 UTC  

But we have to say gay is normal now

2018-09-20 15:58:14 UTC  

if you HAVE to, i pitty your environment

2018-09-20 15:58:15 UTC  

It is okay but not normal 🤔

2018-09-20 15:58:16 UTC  

Broken arms and psychosis are not immoral. There is of course some difficulty around mental health affecting a propensity for immoral behaviour: the question arises as to whether being broken absolves you of responsibility for some actions in some circumstances.

2018-09-20 15:58:20 UTC  

When studies show that actually mental health outcomes tend to be worse when trans people are identified as trans and not their preferred gender

2018-09-20 15:58:24 UTC  

but yes i imagine many places where that would get you BTFOs

2018-09-20 15:58:47 UTC  

So I am sympathetic to the argument that there is room for specific protection of mental disturbances from scrutiny, in some circumstances.

2018-09-20 15:58:51 UTC  

Which was one of the arguments in favour of "preferred pronouns"

2018-09-20 15:59:37 UTC  

i dont believe there is room for specific protections of mental illnesses if those violate others rights (to free speech for example)

2018-09-20 15:59:38 UTC  

I mean, five years ago I was just humouring it, and it was okay, and nobody was hurt.

2018-09-20 15:59:52 UTC  

Now you have to do some dance between _noticing_ and _not noticing_, at least in some circles, it all gets very confusing.

2018-09-20 16:00:02 UTC  

people who cant live in free society cause of mental illness belong in a psychiatric institution, its what they are there for

2018-09-20 16:00:19 UTC  

Mental outcomes tend to be worse for me when people don't recognize me as a famous basketball player rather than a physical laborer

2018-09-20 16:00:20 UTC  

i mean if youve ever had a friend whos schizophrenic and was having a psycosis

2018-09-20 16:00:32 UTC  

🤔

2018-09-20 16:00:33 UTC  

indulging their delusion is the last thign you want to do

2018-09-20 16:00:48 UTC  

I think the problem is that there's not a lot of nuance in the primary positions

2018-09-20 16:00:55 UTC  

is there ever?

2018-09-20 16:01:06 UTC  

It's either you're for the whole package or against the whole package and neither is a viable solution

2018-09-20 16:01:10 UTC  

i mean ive had it happen

2018-09-20 16:01:13 UTC  

@JULZIFICATOR Yeah, though it's complicated, because it's not necessarily true that you should contradict the delusion directly either.

2018-09-20 16:01:22 UTC  

yeah exactly

2018-09-20 16:01:33 UTC  

calling them crazy as its happening is pretty much a no-no

2018-09-20 16:01:39 UTC  

not many people subscribe to international enlightened lone wolf alt centrist collective viewpoints

2018-09-20 16:01:42 UTC  

not to mention can be dangerous

2018-09-20 16:01:56 UTC  

>lone wolf
Just look at the data

2018-09-20 16:02:08 UTC  

its part of the joke

2018-09-20 16:02:14 UTC  

lone wolf and collective

2018-09-20 16:02:16 UTC  

get it?

2018-09-20 16:02:24 UTC  

Anyway, for the time being it is actually still a pretty easy issue, in terms of the social side.

2018-09-20 16:02:29 UTC  

Sure I recognized it was a meme label

2018-09-20 16:02:30 UTC  

its like with the muslims, how they are always lone wolfs

2018-09-20 16:02:35 UTC  

Just didn't want to write it all out

2018-09-20 16:02:39 UTC  

where i was with a buddy, who started tripping talking to his brother that wasnt there telling him to fuck off and leave him alone and that it was cuz of him that he was having these problems

2018-09-20 16:02:42 UTC  

what do you call a pack of lone wolfs?

2018-09-20 16:02:43 UTC  

Most actual trans people are not involved in the politics, and it is easy to get along.

2018-09-20 16:03:22 UTC  

had to calm him down till it stopped and he went to sleep before i left to go home

2018-09-20 16:03:27 UTC  

Just as most women you'll meet are not feminists (in the sense of belonging to the current political movement known as "feminism"), and most men you'll meet are not particularly involved in their own gender politics either.

2018-09-20 16:03:28 UTC  

i concur, much trans politics is just a hammer for authoretarians to use to get their way

2018-09-20 16:03:55 UTC  

had yo go for a 2-3 week hospitalistation when it happened again a week later

2018-09-20 16:04:02 UTC  

But the point is that
>data shows people who transition have better mental health outcomes when you refer to them as what they transition to
>this supports referring to say, an MtF as a woman
>this supports not referring to them as trans all the time