At the same time the dems are going full socialist which will make them bleed votes.

Even if more people don't vote Trump less will vote dem.

Is that in the mainstream or just in the political bubble we live in? Does your average Joe know what the Dems are spouting?

Hard to say but they are making non political things political so more people are becoming aware of it.

Secondly, voting third party in a two party system doesn't change the result. This isn';t a reason not to vote 3rd party but it doesn't change the result.

Going after the normies. The best way to lose.

It does if the people voting 3rd party would have voted dem.

The only ppl that vote 3rd party are the people that are paying attention and are playing politics as the long game that it is. Normies don't do this. The numbers aren't there.

So it's a matter if the normies will or won't start voting all of a sudden and if so who will they vote for.

Might go either way.

The more uninformed people usually are democrats.

My point is how many states did Trump lose by 5% coz these are the only ones you can realistically look at as swinging. And he only won the big chair coz of a few specific states. If Trump wants to win again he needs to win these again.

The press have givwen Trump one hell of shitty ride. One that I don't know anyone else could handle, that's half the reason I think the 'Left' call him a tyrant, coz only a tyrant could have so much bad press and still be in power.

This press is taking a toll on people.

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1043727170798018561?s=19

wew lad

What was a skewer doing under a tree?

@Poppy Rider For someone form outside the US, like myself, this 3rd party obstruction is very confusing. Can't these parties start getting votes on a local level to get some notoriety and then go for the federal seats?

@arivatana How many parties do you have?

the us only has 2 parties that get votes

Here in India, there's right wing, corruption, corrupted socialist, and communist party

more likely to get elected as a independant then a 3rd party. most join the main 2 like what trump did

Third parties, in a mainly two party system, are not meant to win. You know this when you vote for them. Voting 3rd party is a threat to you main party that if they don't change they will lose even more votes.

@Poppy Rider I'm in europe so there are also 2 levels (think the eu as the federal state and countries as states). In the european parliment there are 9 parties represented. In Portugal (the country that i live) there are also 5 parties represented in the portuguese parliment

2 parties or 9 its still just a bunch of career politicians trying to rile up votes for themselves.

Look at UKIP in the UK. Their only goal was to have a referendum on membership of the EU. At most they got 15% of the vote but after that they got their one and only policy enacted by the Tories.

tories havent followed though and now ukip is branching out into other polocies

@arivatana What sort of vote share to those parties get?

UKIP need to keep their eye on the ball right now. Yes Islam is a problem but if we don't leave the EU then we can't do anything about it.

Here in portugal we have 2 main parties (center left(28%) and center right(36%), but the center left made a coalition with the far left parties (8% and 5%) which granted them the majority. the far right party (12%) did not reach an agreement with the center right. These are rounded numbers

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Yeah, here the Europe we have a mainly two party system but the third parties can hold some sway. In the US it is nowhere near these numbers.

`here the Europe we have a mainly two party system`
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Yeah, two strong partys that get between 20-30% each, sometimes even more and a couple smaller ones

Sorry, i was looking at the wrong numbers:
Center right - 39%
Center left - 32 %
Far left - 10% + 8%
Nature party - 1%

Yeah, In Europe voting for a third party can get stuff done. In the US you would need a massive change in voting patterns for voting 3rd to have an effect. They are 'trapped' in a two party system and have been convinced if they vote 3rd party they will let their enemy win.

Politics is a long game and should be played as such.

I’ll vote the popular if either candidate comes up to me with a plate of meatballs, a toothbrush, and toothpaste.

Because I’m so hungry rn