Message from @xorgy

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2018-09-26 03:58:37 UTC  

government contract go the the lowest bidder

2018-09-26 03:58:42 UTC  

Sorta

2018-09-26 03:58:56 UTC  

who then fuck up and balloon costs or straight up lied

2018-09-26 03:59:00 UTC  

of course, the state ensures who can bid the lowest for it by paying them through the backdoor

2018-09-26 03:59:15 UTC  

and yes, leaving it open for ex-post-facto increases

2018-09-26 03:59:33 UTC  

when the _sunk cost fallacy_ becomes an effective tool for marketing the renegotiation of these contracts.

2018-09-26 03:59:40 UTC  

That's how we get the F35

2018-09-26 03:59:51 UTC  

the most useless, and most expensive, airplane ever built.

2018-09-26 04:00:19 UTC  

At least the airplanes at RedBull Flugtag don't cost the taxpayer more than a trillion dollars, and somebody gets some joy from them.

2018-09-26 04:00:55 UTC  

I’m just saying, I was interested in analyzing trump’s 30 minute UN speech.

2018-09-26 04:01:01 UTC  

Sometime tomorrow?

2018-09-26 04:01:31 UTC  

If you have a transcript, put it up on google docs or whatever and see if we can gather some annotations

2018-09-26 04:01:32 UTC  

ironically all the time spent on the f35 is making it also the only option

2018-09-26 04:01:41 UTC  

That’s a good idea

2018-09-26 04:01:43 UTC  

@Grenade123 that's not true either

2018-09-26 04:01:51 UTC  

@Grenade123 it's _still_ not a true sunk cost

2018-09-26 04:01:57 UTC  

well i mean you can buy from russia or china

2018-09-26 04:02:18 UTC  

They don't need this class of aircraft

2018-09-26 04:02:21 UTC  

they never did

2018-09-26 04:02:34 UTC  

which "class"

2018-09-26 04:02:36 UTC  

They can get 100% of the desired capabilities with retrofits

2018-09-26 04:02:38 UTC  

They posted it on WH gov website

2018-09-26 04:02:38 UTC  

it comes in 3 flavors

2018-09-26 04:02:45 UTC  

"multi-role design"

2018-09-26 04:02:54 UTC  

I’m a bit busy bye

2018-09-26 04:02:56 UTC  

master of none: military airplane edition

2018-09-26 04:03:01 UTC  

ciao @R9b1t

2018-09-26 04:03:27 UTC  

well thats the point, retrofitting old airframes which are outdated. and the cost per unit has been coming down on the f35 where that is starting to not make as much sense as it used to

2018-09-26 04:03:33 UTC  

It's like they got neapolitan

2018-09-26 04:03:40 UTC  

and added more vanilla to all three

2018-09-26 04:04:00 UTC  

now you have "chocolate vanilla, WAAAY TOO VANILLA, and strawberry vanilla"

2018-09-26 04:04:22 UTC  

The big issue with the F35 is outstanding orders

2018-09-26 04:04:36 UTC  

and the corresponding agreements to purchase the parts from all sorts of NATO folks

2018-09-26 04:05:13 UTC  

has there been any military design contract that hasn't been an utter trainwreck?

2018-09-26 04:05:20 UTC  

yes

2018-09-26 04:05:21 UTC  

outside of legit full on war

2018-09-26 04:05:24 UTC  

thousands

2018-09-26 04:05:34 UTC  

many of them have gone off reasonably well

2018-09-26 04:05:48 UTC  

I mean, sure, almost anything in procurement can go wrong

2018-09-26 04:05:52 UTC  

but this is a new kind of clusterfuck

2018-09-26 04:05:59 UTC  

really?seems like they always turn into a clusterfuck