Yes.

nah, you do shit work for shit pay

we need to bring back apprenticeship

Proof that you learned a trade requires tuition.

until you stop being shit at the job, then you move up a bit

Grenade is correct. We need to bring back apprenticeship.

At some point you have to be responsible for yourself. If all you do is focus on why you can't, you won't see real opportunity that might be in front of you.

Apprenticeships are good or even just teaching yourself stuff online or from reading if you can’t afford internet.

Russian please scroll up to the beginning of the conversation. I don't think you've appraised what we're talking about.

You can teach yourself online, but who would believe you've learned it?

demonstration

Where?

Or lie.

Let's not joke right now.

you can learn coding, although its not everyone's cup of tea. And its pretty easy to test if people actually learned it

I’m not joking.

anywhere there is a person, and not a bureacracy.

how do you demonstrate you can draw?

I know a guy who makes a living doing disturbing mspaint art.

I have a coder friend, and he says it's very very difficult to find work.

Itis way artsy folks have portfolios, e.g models, artists, programmers

It's such an oversaturated field.

I feel like your not being honest about this place you are describing. Or it is really horrible and you should just leave hitchhiking if you have to.

what coding does he do?

Grant.

I'm really annoyed with you.

Don't say that to me when I'm being genuine.

I mean, Grant is right though

I am being honest.

@Scribblehatch you're in a frame of mind right now that others in this room aren't necessarily sharing. Sure you can be frustrated about it but I'd just ignore responses that aren't addressing you on the same level.

Him being right means I'm lying.

Which I'm not.

Hitchhiking does sound like a better option if this town is so bad

So he's wrong.

You live in place with only walmart and mcdonalds.

that's because programming was sent to india like 10 years ago

web based? yes. good luck with that. c++? got a good shot of finding work. some of the older languages? you will be snatched up in a heartbeat

Well I won't be hitchhiking, even if faced with death. So that's out.

you gotta specialize in something and be good at something else, in IT.

Why not?

Now that we know that's out of the conversation, let's continue the conversation.