Message from @Tal,Karpov,AlekhineAllCoolGuys

Discord ID: 496779529625403402


2018-10-02 20:20:06 UTC  

@Risotto is right

2018-10-02 20:20:09 UTC  

they will adjust

2018-10-02 20:20:10 UTC  

Yes, you can create such a vieo.

2018-10-02 20:20:11 UTC  

this way the YT algorithm can not read the file, but people in the know can

2018-10-02 20:20:25 UTC  

It sounds like a wacky example, but I like those kind of thought experiments. Let's go there.

2018-10-02 20:20:31 UTC  

the issue is, do we want them to adjust after all they did?

2018-10-02 20:20:37 UTC  

if this was automatable

2018-10-02 20:20:52 UTC  

but also exclusive so youtube cant also get those decryption keys

2018-10-02 20:20:59 UTC  

that could be interesting

2018-10-02 20:21:09 UTC  

I think this is very close to watermarking and data stenciling, I believe it's called, which is basically hiding data in files.

2018-10-02 20:21:48 UTC  

It's pretty easy to do. For example, a GIF has headers that let the image library know where the picture ends, so additional data at the end of the file will not bother standard compliant libraries.

2018-10-02 20:22:07 UTC  

So, you can append as much data to the end of the GIF as you like, upload it, nobody knows, and your data is at the end of the file.

2018-10-02 20:22:44 UTC  

For example, I tried this on Minds and other social media services. I made a zip file in which I put some random cat memes, uploaded it to Minds, and my friend downloaded it, unzipped the file and got the cat memes out.

2018-10-02 20:22:52 UTC  

The GIF was only 1 pixel in size.

2018-10-02 20:23:25 UTC  

So, it is not too hard to hide data in a video stream, by watermarking. You can create any kind of pattern in your video, but it might make it harder, because many services will transcode your data first.

2018-10-02 20:23:53 UTC  

YouTube, for example, will transcode your video to MP4 and AAC codec, so your data will likely get lost, as the transcoder only grabs the data it knows about.

2018-10-02 20:24:05 UTC  

thats not new

2018-10-02 20:24:26 UTC  

aye, but you have different codecs, and what i am saying is that you use the literal footage not something added they might trow away

2018-10-02 20:24:26 UTC  

Other sites use a library called PNGCRUSH, which performs a similar function, and reduces extraneous data before storing and serving the image.

2018-10-02 20:24:29 UTC  

like,t heres software with algorythingms that scans files for hiden files inside file formats

2018-10-02 20:24:29 UTC  

@Risotto I think that might be a bit much. They are right now horrible but I think they were worse before the, “party flip” or whatever they call it

2018-10-02 20:24:31 UTC  

like.. uploading static

2018-10-02 20:24:41 UTC  

No, that's not new. I am not saying it is. I am just answering the quesiton.

2018-10-02 20:24:46 UTC  

but then, depending on the pattern, you can watch the actual video

2018-10-02 20:25:02 UTC  

Right. That's not too hard to program.

2018-10-02 20:25:15 UTC  

they cant just toss away literal video data, thats whats actually being requested to be played

2018-10-02 20:25:37 UTC  

they proccess video data

2018-10-02 20:25:39 UTC  

and images

2018-10-02 20:25:41 UTC  

For example, QR codes just encode images. You could write a plugin that transforms each image on the fly and renders the "hidden" video.

2018-10-02 20:25:42 UTC  

upon upload

2018-10-02 20:25:59 UTC  

In computer security this is very similar to what is known as a "side channel".

2018-10-02 20:26:45 UTC  

@Deleted User Yes, I know. But, it could be in the video frame itself. For example, QR codes encode URLs. You can create an arbitrary encoding for data that you then display in each frame.

2018-10-02 20:27:02 UTC  

Even just morse code. They then represent bits.

2018-10-02 20:27:15 UTC  

It might not be very compact, but creating such a "coded" video is doable.

2018-10-02 20:27:29 UTC  

You could even go so far that it only makes sense if the watchers have a particular private key.

2018-10-02 20:27:55 UTC  

It would look like static, unless you have the decryption key. It's not so different from the encoding that TV channels used.

2018-10-02 20:28:17 UTC  

>removed as cohost on a podcast because someone claimed he was mean to her

2018-10-02 20:28:27 UTC  

<:homeThonk:484732324198744097>

2018-10-02 20:28:46 UTC  

Anyway. It's pretty wacky, but I am just going along with the thought experiment.

2018-10-02 20:28:59 UTC  

yea but all that encoded data

2018-10-02 20:29:03 UTC  

is going to be stored in a server