Message from @Joe_Limon
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Who more or less control everything these days.
But, basic arithmetic is not the strong suite of so-called egalitarians.
Oh, and HR types and Union faithful.
Wait, so even toddlers don't like it?
Nope. They believe in something usually called "fairness" in the literature.
What are we doing to so-called adults to miswire their brains that badly then?
Which is closer to equal rewards for equal precieved effort.
Which is what most adults want too.
offer them "free money"
Yes, that I can have some sympathy for.
Equality of outcome is very convenient for people who do statistics (it's relatively easy to test) and bureaucrats (you get paid on the plan)
I think equal rewards for equal perceived effort is evil
I think there are also very strange misperceptions of where prices come from.
It's also convenienent for people who don't really want to work or otherwise obsess over equality.
Yes PERCEIVED effort, that would be a bad thing.
But not as bad as equality of outcome.
Your perception might be off, but at least you are TRYING to do the right thing.
The vast majority of people don't have even a cursory understanding of economics.
CA and NYC are looking at rent control again, for example.
With equality of outcome, you are not even TRYING to do the right thing.
So the thing about perceived effort is that people don't even realize it's the perception.
Yes, and that comparative value is measured through prices.
If two things have the same price, it is supposed to mean that, by and large, people would be willing to exchange the two.
And if it is not the case for you, you can exchange the thing of higher price for cash and buy the other item that is priced the same, but which you value less.
If they believe that there is good reason to trust what people say about effort, they'll bite.
The problem is that "equal effort for equal reward" (the actual ideal) is marred the fact specialization hides the effort alot of people put into things and the fact that not all labor is equal.
Capitalists trust price signals. Communists don't.
Heres a missing concept people often overlook
Leftwingers see "time spent" as the value
Rightwngers see "resource contributed" as the value
If a person works 1 hour on a machine, to create 10x the product
One side wants them paid for 1 hour
The other wants them paid 10x for the resource
And since they see Rich people as working just as long as minimum wage people
Equality of outcome seems fair to them
I often hear the rhetoric question "How do you put a price on X?" Well, the same way you put a price on anything else!
Competitive bidding
Kind of.
The value of a thing is whatever people would be willing to exchange it for.
@Dr.Wol It's worse than that. You know why the USSR and China didn't get along? Mao believed agricultural labor was more representative of the working class. Stalin believed that was industrial labor. They didn't get along.
And that's endemic everywhere on the left.
It doesn't matter if the monetary price has a few more zeroes or not.
You can print as much money as you want, but in a decently working market economy, things of equal value will end up with around the same price.
Alright you guys, start fightin'.
We're trying.
Michigan Union types think Californian Actors Guild members are lazy bumfucks who get all the accolades for doing nothing valuable. The Californain Actor Guilds think the Automakers union members are deplorables.
But we haven't had enough beer, yet.
And where are the ice cubes to throw at each other?!