Message from @bobbymichael
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But if they hit us, we have to hit back.
Naturally
That is what the AltRight excels at
however, their ideas cant hold a torch to ours in debate, so, when possible, merely engage them civilly, and they will end up looking stupid. Vox Day's interview with Jack Murphy I felt was a good example of this. Of course if they resort to rhetoric...
Then flay them and don't forget the salt
I tried listening to a Molyneux video yesterday. Had to shut it off in a matter of seconds. I do wonder how the New Right people maintain their ideology AFTER embracing race realism.
Yeah..we're different tribes but uh....
we're still the same
derp
It's just toxic individualism in my opinion, but yeah...bigger fish to fry I suppose.
So long as they don't hit us, no reason to provoke conflict.
Which video are you referring to
Oh it was a recent one, on Marine Le Pen I think.
Starts off with something along the lines of: "This is a war between collectivists and individualist nationalists"
What individualist nationalist means is beyond me.
I mean, unless I'm reading the wrong dictionary of course.
Ah, I'd give him a bit of the benefit of the doubt. I don't know how much of him you watch, but I watch nearly all of his videos and he knows whats up. It is very evident however that he seeks to convince people over to his side by recognizing all available means of persuasion. Therefore, he doesn't focus a lot on the ethnic-nationalist stuff explicitly, however, its all there. He recognizes that diversity destroys social cohesion, he recognizes race realism, he has STRONGLY hinted that the Jews run everything, he agrees that interracial relationships are not preferable. He is sutle about it, but all the right messages are there. He just doesn't state it explicitly. At least not often.
Well that's cool I suppose - I just can't be bothered to listen.
At a certain point, you stop caring about discussion.
I don't blame you, that's a lot of viewing time.
I'm guessing you'll disagree, because it's a pretty unpopular position to hold.
But I gave up on the "free marketplace of ideas" thing some time ago.
I'm really not interested in talking to those I consider degenerate anymore. Which would be anyone who isn't a nationalist. At least in a civic form.
I'm sure a good deal of them can be converted, which is good and should be done.
But I recognize a good chunk of them cannot be saved.
To a degree I disagree, but to a degree I don't. In a perfect world, a free market place of ideas would ensure that the best ideas get to the top, ie. our ideas. However, the existence of the media has precluded this, because whoever controls it holds control over how people think and what is hegemonic. I would like to get them out of the way and restore a real "free market", but even then I recognize that many would still disagree with me, at which point I simply demand separation. But I could also just take control of media and as they have to me, use it to make them think like how I want. In that way, I suppose Im not so much a fan of the free market of ideas. I know the vast majority of people are simply programming, and so I just want the means to program them correctly.
O, and as for Stefan. Skip to 7:38
The issue I take with the free marketplace of ideas is that I don't have faith in people to make the right choice. I know if not for a stroke of luck I would have been a socialist today. I was in fact.
I know how it is to be lead astray.
I know how easy it is to be lead astray*
As I said, the sad fact of the matter, is that people by and large think what they are taught to think.
As far as I'm concerned, once the truth (in terms of politics) gets into power, parents should indoctrinate their children on some things.
So, it then simply becomes a war over controlling what is implanted into peoples heads.
naturally
For example, questioning your loyalty to your people is anathema. Some things simply cannot be allowed to even be entertained.
agreed
Strong tribal identity is important to be imbued. As well as an concomitant sense of honor and loyalty to that trive
you really should watch the end of that molyneux video by the way if you havent
He all but names the Jew lol