but west europe is effectively socialist in the sense that its massive taxes, to give subsidies to the poor, so they can then buy the products

maybe they'll do better once May is out
but i haven't heard of any convincing candidates yet

Jacob Rees Mogg

But that is not whats happening here wol

wew

thats the only way I vote tory

whats happening here is massive taxes

Social programs by themselves aren't socialist

and government subsidizing companies to hire people

not people themselves

they somtimes pay up to half someones salary so they would hire people

its a total failure

France is the most socialist country. everyone else is degrees

its pretty much the same thing, the wealthy pay for someone elses extra money which they didn't earn, so they can buy the same things taht the wealthy actually worked for

when the problem is the cost, imposed by government, to hire people

France is not necessarily a socialist country

well its not the same thing wol

the rich arent paying

no its not fully, its the closest though

the working class, the entrepeneurs are paying

It's more socialist than other countries

everyone is paying

Doesn't make it socialist tho

indeed Swed

but those above the mean, don't benefit from it, those below it do

Scandinavia isn't socialist either

France has very strong labour protections, but Macron is dismantling them <:jeb:376461916509306880>

yea but by far the biggest payers are entrepeneurs and working class people

in my country that is a fact

there've been pretty much nonstop riots since he got elected

And btw people here arent saying "the rich must pay up"

Macron is doing surprisingly sensible things

Our government gives money to media corporations

I haven't done enough research into the tax system of semi-france so i can't argue 😛 i'll have to take your word for it

theyre saying government needs to cut taxes because its becoming absurd

theyre laying the problem with government not rich people

too big

too corrupt

the pendulum always swings. its just whether it does so before things get crazy or not

but no one is arguing that at its core EU is socialist,

cuz they're all capitalist in nature,

But with the social programs becoming so big, the governments taxing so high, you're effectively in a Monetary socialism

I pay 49% of paycheck in taxes