Message from @aukkras

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2018-10-17 07:15:24 UTC  

Part of the corruption in that field is that it's prohibitively expensive to compete, regardless of how easy a drug is to manufacture.

2018-10-17 07:15:40 UTC  

I can kind of get it for creative purposes

2018-10-17 07:15:45 UTC  

State should also do the kind of "baseline regulation" in some cases, i.e. offer the services at the low (but fair) price so that there would be a baseline and jacking prices up would be not viable for the private sector (unless they can offer some excellent addition that is worth more)

2018-10-17 07:16:07 UTC  

i get the argument that creators deserve credit
but that's not how IP law is structured

2018-10-17 07:16:08 UTC  

This sort of "soft regulation" works much better than any legislation does

2018-10-17 07:16:24 UTC  

I'm not so sure it would.

2018-10-17 07:16:49 UTC  

It lets market do its thing, but sets a limit

2018-10-17 07:17:11 UTC  

The State should not be competing in the market.

2018-10-17 07:17:17 UTC  

why not?

2018-10-17 07:17:43 UTC  

The state should be far more passive than it is.

2018-10-17 07:17:45 UTC  

if they can offer the same or better service at lower price, surely that's good

2018-10-17 07:17:59 UTC  

if the state is passive, it'll simply lose to the competition

2018-10-17 07:18:04 UTC  

@shinsoo Patent and copyright is just abused and misused. Does not mean those types of protections should not exist.

2018-10-17 07:18:20 UTC  

<:shrug_raka:430185885988945921>

2018-10-17 07:18:29 UTC  

The problem is patent trolling.

2018-10-17 07:18:35 UTC  

true, it just means they shouldn't exist as they do now

2018-10-17 07:19:01 UTC  

but the very idea of owning a non-physical concept sits badly with me

2018-10-17 07:19:04 UTC  

THere's probably plenty of advancements that have been stymied because someone somewhere holds a patent and wants their money for vaguely describing something someone else did the work for.

2018-10-17 07:19:18 UTC  

The thing is: state can afford to lose. Even if their offer is not the best, the mere existence of it would prevent the olygopoly or price damping

2018-10-17 07:19:59 UTC  

The Free Market has shown us in the past that if there is a cheaper way to do something, someone will come in to disrupt the market.

2018-10-17 07:20:05 UTC  

also it can provide the service where business considers it unprofitable

2018-10-17 07:20:08 UTC  

free market lol

2018-10-17 07:20:11 UTC  

The state isn't needed for that process.

2018-10-17 07:20:25 UTC  

In fact, the state should step out of the way of that process.

2018-10-17 07:21:01 UTC  

Patent trolls like Edison will always find a way to abuse the system. The real inventors still deserve to get paid.

2018-10-17 07:21:07 UTC  

the free market tends towards monopolies and cartels
and in the modern era, advertising is more efficient than innovation, especially for pharma

2018-10-17 07:21:09 UTC  

It is not a simple problem.

2018-10-17 07:21:13 UTC  

Heh. I like that you bring in Edison. 😛

2018-10-17 07:21:24 UTC  

Kind of a scumbag.

2018-10-17 07:21:59 UTC  

Well, some things should never be left to free market

2018-10-17 07:22:04 UTC  

Like Firefighting

2018-10-17 07:22:25 UTC  

Ancient Athens and USA in 1800 tried that

2018-10-17 07:22:43 UTC  

Firefighter mafias were having fights in the streets

2018-10-17 07:22:49 UTC  

I can kind of see your point there.

2018-10-17 07:22:58 UTC  

anything that has high infrastructure costs imo

2018-10-17 07:23:15 UTC  

competition is nigh-impossible with broadband

2018-10-17 07:23:32 UTC  

might wanna take a look into westinghouse history

2018-10-17 07:23:43 UTC  

Texas has a brilliant solution to the electrical grid and private industry.

2018-10-17 07:23:45 UTC  

Some things need state to function properly and/or not to be abused

2018-10-17 07:24:03 UTC  

They broke the Electrical Supply system into three separate industries.

2018-10-17 07:24:14 UTC  

I do agree that the state should be as minimal as it can get though