Maybe that is different now with the internet.

The Gulag Archipelago detailed this well.

Yeah if it's a slow thing, but I'm talking about the marshal law scenario

The army of the Soviet Union was incredibly weak for years before that fall.

If people had formed militias, it could have ended far sooner, but they were taken away one by one.

They still believed in the cause, some even when they were already in the Gulag.

Every productive person in Sweden could just decide to stop paying taxes and the migrant crises would end within a month.

The thing is, people are divided against each other, so they get states that abuse the ones who are most compliant.

The migrant crisis isn't as bad as the Swedish government using it's military to strike it's own people. You keep changing the scenario.

Also, Sweden isn't America

No, it's actually a very similar scenario.

I see there being one thread in all of this.

Bad policy harming a country is not the same as military force on one's own populace.

I see it all as the abuse of dysfunctional states that no longer serve their people but are there to abuse them.

Yes there can be a theme in there that's the same, but the scale is so much different

The issue with the modern state is that they have become a purpose onto their own end and perpetration.

The scale? Sure it's different for countries of different sizes.

Stop right there

I'm not talking about scale of US v Sweden

But the types of abuses, the kinds of laws that are being enacted all over the place are very similar.

I said the situation of migrants and military occupation

I don't see it as very differen,t because it's not the root cause of their issues.

Nobody wanted the EU super state.

Laws and state powers have eroded individual rights and seeped into every aspect of life.

Okay, denying a Jew service at a restaurant and the holocaust have the same root cause. The person hates Jews. SCALE is important.

There is the erosion of due process, for example, that is replicated almost exactly this side of the Atlantic and the other.

I feel like I'm talking past you.

There is C-51 in Canada, there is cancer like Title IX in the US, there is Alison Saunders and her ilk in the UK, rape shield laws.

What scale do you want to discuss?

It's systematic at a national level for each country.

Those changes are replicated like cookie cutter.

They couldn't be any more alike.

I've told you multiple times what the point I was arguing was. The US would easily revolt in a scenario where the government used the military to strike citizens. That's an extreme abuse of power. I made no comments on what the US would do in a small abuse of power like these due process things. I can't seem to get you to acknowledge the scale of difference between these 2 slights by the government

One is open war, the other is a slow, destruction of rights that will go unnoticed for a long time

The US would react to war instantly and the government would get fucked

That's all I am saying

I don't think the US would need its military.

You keep talking about random things like Title 9 and the degradation of due process which is so far removed from my original point.

Okay, then that's a different scenario

They don't have to send men with guns in green uniforms when they can lock people up with guys in blue uniforms.

Which I'm not talking about