Message from @Dyno

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2017-07-01 02:17:08 UTC  

16 watching XD also this is tedious.

2017-07-01 04:11:15 UTC  

glad it's over tbh

2017-07-01 04:19:39 UTC  

that was painful for me to watch I can't imagine how painful it was for you to participate in.

2017-07-01 04:22:19 UTC  

did we do well? That's what matters

2017-07-01 04:23:49 UTC  

The parts i saw were ok. I always in debates see instances where i felt like i personally could give better answers but seeing as i've never debated someone in that fashion I don't know whether i'd be able to verbalize that stuff on the fly.

2017-07-01 04:24:14 UTC  

Hopefully the discussion is kept on their channel so i can think a bit more deeply about it.

2017-07-01 04:25:01 UTC  

But as i mentioned with Sylack it's almost impossible to argue this with people that don't know what the scientific consensus is on heritability and intelligence to begin with.

2017-07-01 04:25:28 UTC  

what do you think I should have improved?

2017-07-01 04:25:59 UTC  

one sec gotta turn this music down.

2017-07-01 04:29:49 UTC  

w/ the opening discussion about race there's an overwhelming urge to push the debate down to as low a level as possible so that you're basically trudging in the snow. You might get the point about taxonomies being universally imperfect by using a closely related analogy.

2017-07-01 04:33:32 UTC  

If you're being asked about race you could say "You are starting out with self-defined subgroups whose groupings are due to historical / social / circumstantial factors. If we accept this partitioning of the human species into these groups, even if the partioning is supposely arbitrary, is the distinction purely imaginary or does are there "real" i.e. biological characteristics that allow these supposedly arbitrary groups to be identified.

2017-07-01 04:36:39 UTC  

I see. Yea I didn't think my answers were great but I knew he was going to quibble over the minutiae so I wanted it out of the way

2017-07-01 04:37:04 UTC  

to the race thing

2017-07-01 04:37:04 UTC  

ty

2017-07-01 04:37:36 UTC  

but like i said i've never been under pressure to provide questions so what i've written could very well be useless in a real conversation.

2017-07-01 04:37:44 UTC  

I only respond to people in text.

2017-07-01 04:41:11 UTC  

if you have anything else I'd like to hear it. As long as it seems clear to you we 'won' I consider it a success

2017-07-01 04:42:22 UTC  

I'd have to watch through it a second time and actually take notes. I might do that at a later time seeing as if more of these race realist debates start happening the information could be useful. I

2017-07-01 05:08:44 UTC  

It definitely started slow and got knotted up a few times in some odd details that didn't really matter. But talking to complete normies seems to have those pitfalls. Thanks to @The Goat doing this.

2017-07-01 05:08:59 UTC  

no porblem

2017-07-01 05:18:34 UTC  

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2017-07-01 07:04:39 UTC  

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2017-07-01 07:23:53 UTC  
2017-07-01 19:42:10 UTC  

https://youtu.be/09Y6jeAMOHs

So, it looks like the alt-right may be the new target of the skeptics

2017-07-01 19:47:29 UTC  

We know who will lose.

2017-07-01 19:49:08 UTC  

man, he paints WNs as "others"

2017-07-01 19:49:17 UTC  

why tf is it bad to be proud of your race

2017-07-01 19:49:39 UTC  

but i agree - the skeptic community has to go for higher hanging fruit

2017-07-01 19:51:55 UTC  

The skeptic community is in its death throes.

2017-07-01 19:52:08 UTC  

well, more stagnant than anything

2017-07-01 19:52:28 UTC  

No it is dying for sure

2017-07-01 19:52:35 UTC  

especially if they don't confront fascists and the WNs

2017-07-01 19:53:03 UTC  

This is a frustrating problem. Talking to ppl willing to throw their own under the bus is becoming harder and harder

2017-07-01 19:53:14 UTC  

i also agree with peterson at the end there - oversimplification is rife within the alt-right

2017-07-01 19:53:40 UTC  

@NoMore Dogma They are our greatest enemies I would say

2017-07-01 19:53:55 UTC  

nah man

2017-07-01 19:54:02 UTC  

the greatest enemy is pathology, for us

2017-07-01 19:54:07 UTC  

the pathology of EQUALITY

2017-07-01 19:54:14 UTC  

Yes. Their centrism makes them out to be the moral high grounders. But they just avoid when we get down to it.