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Literally just electing socialism democratically

MA is legit drunk. He's like Joe Biden at this point

@Coolitic If you want the real socialists in Sweden then you need to look at "Vänsterpartiet" ( The Left Party) or as they used to call themselves: "The Left Party Communists"

If both are striving for authoritarian power, it’s effectively an argument of which means to achieve the same end.

@Mersenne George Orwell hated Commmuism. He was a self-declared Democratic Socilaist

He used to be

Then he hated socialism

Yeah but then turned against it

In a similar manner to JBP

exactly

no, they were both at the same time

But they've always been fringe. Even when they try to be more mainstream, they've never passed 10 %. And they've never been able to appoint a prime minister or a government of their own.

It’s because Orwell was able to recognize that those advocating for the impoverished often viewed them as inferior.

@Mersenne It's a philosophical and semantic question in my view. "Democratic socialist" doesn't really mean anything.

boomer doomer flu may change their outlook

Europeans are 'democratic socialists' from Orwell's perspective

@Mersenne What I focus on is the policies they actually put in practice

certain programs are state controlled: education, health care etc

Suomis get the rope

but under a capitalist framework

Social Democrats are more politically motivated than ideologically. All policies hinge on having a near totalitarian control over the state.

nah, european republics are a mix of authoritarian power, capitalism and surplus welfare

surplus welfare =/= socialism

And faggots

@Mersenne And with that in mind, you can't really call the Social Democrats of Sweden "socialist", because they don't seek to abolish private property or earning profits from the private market like real socialists would.

Essentially, the Social Democrats of Sweden are just the extended party arm of the labour unions.

Welcome back Ninja

oh no

I'm a year older today

@Mersenne Or at least they used to be, until "progressivism" infected them

I'm more likely to die or coronavirus now

frick

@Mersenne careful with your definitions. Typicallly, those in 2020 that use the term 'Democratic Socialist' don't know what the fuck they are talkin about

or any OTHER label for that matter

european authoritarianism is rather soft and limited though, so it does not do much harm, and is kept in check by the industries

Luckily, most Nordic countries still hate socialism overall

which is weird, but whatever works

that's how it starts....

I’m not one to play semantics with radical progressive ideologies. The all effectively strive for similar end goals and process themselves to be the moral arbiters of our time.

Europeans are gay