Socialism is possible everywhere. Lots of people would die, but it's doable. It would be miserable and regretted by all, but it's doable

good luck relying on africa for innovation

@Uksio Europe never did anything important while united, so no

Europe is a failure so much potential squandered on intersectionality

And letting Muslims in

MA’s right on this one. When discussing the liquid definition of social democrat, democratic socialism, and nation socialism - you need to state *which fucking country* you’re referring to as their ideology is about as solid as quicksand.

IDGAF what they did, they are doing stupid shit

Correct

@Mersenne Yeah I agree that progressive ideologues do that.

What i'm saying is that the parties we're talking about weren't always "progressives".

Progressivism is a new trend in western political discourse.

To avoid prescribing to tribalism, suffice it to say that *any* progressive ideology that discards scientific truths in favor of Political Correctness and Identity Politics is the cancer of the 21st Century.

@Mersenne For example, nowadays the swedish social democrats cucked completely about immigrants, being all "open borders" and "pro-immigration" and "anti-racist".

Just like most parties on the left

The worst part about progressivism is both in their name and attitude and they simply *assume* that their beliefs are automatically in the name of progress

"progressive ideology" seems redundant to me

Which is why they are often arrogant, snobbish asshats

However, back in the day, The Swedish Social Democrats were some of the most staunchest pro-borders and anti-immigration parties in Swedish politics, because the Labour unions were concerned that the capitalists would use things like freedom of movement and cheap foreign labour as a weapon to depress wages and undermine the influence of the labour unions.

@Seven Proxies - Not that it makes much difference, as radical progressive parties are being rejected en mass across the globe.

So pre-progressive Social Democrats and Post-progressive Social Democrats were two very different parties

are they though?

Labour unions need a rework

The crippling defeat of Corbyn being the most prolific of recent memory.

@Mersenne Yes it's true, and the Social Democrats are seeing a sharp decline in public support.

the far left has lost it's momentum

with the coming economic fallout, i think you will find those progressive ideology stronger than ever

The pendulum is swinging sharply to the right

Nationalism and the right rising worldwide

Trump might as well handed the progressives his head on a silver platter

They've been haemorraging voters for years now, with the conservative, anti-immigration Sweden Democrats swooping up most of their voters.

In fact, most members of the labour unions are voting for the Sweden Democrats rather than Social Democrats nowadays.

His initial dismissive response is what was bad

@ManAnimal - I’m actually inclined to disagree. In a global pandemic, people default to conservative values rather than leaping to radical change.

pandamic only, yes

Yes, but people care about faces more than ideology atm

but the pandemic isn't out primary issue

@Blaster Master True.

I'm just thinking of how to prevent it from swinging to far

it will be the long-lasting economic fallout

plays right into their narrative

and those in the center and libel to fall the other way

@Seven Proxies you can't. It's natural. It goes left, then right. Left, then right. Left and... Right