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no, they were both at the same time
But they've always been fringe. Even when they try to be more mainstream, they've never passed 10 %. And they've never been able to appoint a prime minister or a government of their own.
It’s because Orwell was able to recognize that those advocating for the impoverished often viewed them as inferior.
@Mersenne It's a philosophical and semantic question in my view. "Democratic socialist" doesn't really mean anything.
boomer doomer flu may change their outlook
Europeans are 'democratic socialists' from Orwell's perspective
@Mersenne What I focus on is the policies they actually put in practice
certain programs are state controlled: education, health care etc
Suomis get the rope
but under a capitalist framework
Social Democrats are more politically motivated than ideologically. All policies hinge on having a near totalitarian control over the state.
nah, european republics are a mix of authoritarian power, capitalism and surplus welfare
surplus welfare =/= socialism
And faggots
@Mersenne And with that in mind, you can't really call the Social Democrats of Sweden "socialist", because they don't seek to abolish private property or earning profits from the private market like real socialists would.
Essentially, the Social Democrats of Sweden are just the extended party arm of the labour unions.
Welcome back Ninja
oh no
I'm a year older today
@Mersenne Or at least they used to be, until "progressivism" infected them
frick
@Mersenne careful with your definitions. Typicallly, those in 2020 that use the term 'Democratic Socialist' don't know what the fuck they are talkin about
or any OTHER label for that matter
european authoritarianism is rather soft and limited though, so it does not do much harm, and is kept in check by the industries
Luckily, most Nordic countries still hate socialism overall
which is weird, but whatever works
that's how it starts....
I’m not one to play semantics with radical progressive ideologies. The all effectively strive for similar end goals and process themselves to be the moral arbiters of our time.
Europeans are gay
Europe is a mistake
Murica is for chads
They’re ideological zealots of the neo-Marxist cloth.
I doubt socialism is even possible at the size bigger than a student commune...
Not reqlly
Yes, but you need to first DEFINE the terms THEN match people WITH those terms
@NinjaQuick nigga without europe no civilisations would be where they are
that is DIFFERENT than having the idiots that call themselves by incorrect terms dictating your definitions
So sad to see our boomer MA go due to corona
Socialism is possible everywhere. Lots of people would die, but it's doable. It would be miserable and regretted by all, but it's doable