Message from ryuplaneswalker in Subverse #general
What do you think about all the stuff over Isreal and Palestine; I have a isreali friend so I think I might be biased towards the Israelites but I’ve heard from other sources that there have been egregious crimes against the Palestinian population from Isreal
And I don’t want to discount the accounts of Palestinian people
Nihilism is cancer.
Honestly it ultimately isn't a pretty situation either way you look.
I've never seen someone 100% anything on any of these tests
I got turbo middle ground on that one though, iirc
Israel is a shit show.
and it is partly our fault
I believe Israeli occupation is a result of Palestinian aggression, and that is true. The argument there though is that ultimately the Israelis never had a right to be a state in the first place
No they really didn't
I hope the muslims overrun isreal and destroy every last man woman and child there
Although the Israeli people were there originally it has been largely palestinian muslim territory since its conquest shortly after the death of Muhammad
but well, that goose is already cooked.
what are we going to do?
Move the entire country to Utah?
I mean, we can.
You're not going to unmake the state, and it isn't going to fall to foreign invasion anytime soon
So the argument comes down to who do you believe has a more legitimate claim to the land? To me I look at the situation practically and see that Islam is a religion antithetical to western values and those who support Palestine often do so more for a hate out of jews rather than a support for palestinian muslims.
Well Dvir, it isn't even that.
Look, we can remove Jewish rule and authority in the Middle East, or we can remove Muslims from the Middle East.
That argument ended the moment the UN stuck their dick in it
Or we can just let there be war and conflict.
so we have the choice of "let the Jews be completely exterminated" or not.
Well you are an idiot then
Genocide is generally frowned upon.
because the wholesale extermination of a people is idiotic
Well, not *necessarily*.
other than feelings?
I mean self determination states that all peoples have the right to choose how to govern themselves; and thus how can we deny the Jews the right to have a state? I don’t necessarily think that Isreal’s current location was a bad place to start one either, as Palestine has been usually sparsely populated for much of its history after the Jewish exodus. I think the biggest issue was the conflict over Jerusalem itself, that in retrospect probably should have been left to a international/co-faith administration
>I want a moral and historical basis for my government yeeting a demographic for people who want them dead anyway
>this couldn't possibly backfire
Though the Arab invasion threw that out the window