Message from ryuplaneswalker in Subverse #general

2018-12-04 02:21:10 UTC  

What do you think about all the stuff over Isreal and Palestine; I have a isreali friend so I think I might be biased towards the Israelites but I’ve heard from other sources that there have been egregious crimes against the Palestinian population from Isreal

2018-12-04 02:21:41 UTC  

And I don’t want to discount the accounts of Palestinian people

2018-12-04 02:23:15 UTC  

Nihilism is cancer.

2018-12-04 02:23:43 UTC  


2018-12-04 02:23:49 UTC  

Honestly it ultimately isn't a pretty situation either way you look.

2018-12-04 02:24:01 UTC  

I've never seen someone 100% anything on any of these tests

2018-12-04 02:24:16 UTC  

I got turbo middle ground on that one though, iirc

2018-12-04 02:24:34 UTC  

Israel is a shit show.

2018-12-04 02:24:43 UTC  

and it is partly our fault

2018-12-04 02:24:43 UTC  

I believe Israeli occupation is a result of Palestinian aggression, and that is true. The argument there though is that ultimately the Israelis never had a right to be a state in the first place

2018-12-04 02:25:18 UTC  

No they really didn't

2018-12-04 02:25:24 UTC  

I hope the muslims overrun isreal and destroy every last man woman and child there

2018-12-04 02:25:25 UTC  

Although the Israeli people were there originally it has been largely palestinian muslim territory since its conquest shortly after the death of Muhammad

2018-12-04 02:25:32 UTC  

but well, that goose is already cooked.

2018-12-04 02:25:43 UTC  


2018-12-04 02:25:45 UTC  

what are we going to do?

2018-12-04 02:25:52 UTC  

Move the entire country to Utah?

2018-12-04 02:26:00 UTC  

I mean, we can.

2018-12-04 02:26:01 UTC  

You're not going to unmake the state, and it isn't going to fall to foreign invasion anytime soon

2018-12-04 02:26:25 UTC  

@Bookworm would that mean Nethenhau is Thor?

2018-12-04 02:26:57 UTC  

So the argument comes down to who do you believe has a more legitimate claim to the land? To me I look at the situation practically and see that Islam is a religion antithetical to western values and those who support Palestine often do so more for a hate out of jews rather than a support for palestinian muslims.

2018-12-04 02:27:17 UTC  

Well Dvir, it isn't even that.

2018-12-04 02:27:21 UTC  

Look, we can remove Jewish rule and authority in the Middle East, or we can remove Muslims from the Middle East.

2018-12-04 02:27:29 UTC  

That argument ended the moment the UN stuck their dick in it

2018-12-04 02:27:31 UTC  

Or we can just let there be war and conflict.

2018-12-04 02:27:42 UTC  

so we have the choice of "let the Jews be completely exterminated" or not.

2018-12-04 02:27:50 UTC  

THe former

2018-12-04 02:27:54 UTC  


2018-12-04 02:28:01 UTC  

Well you are an idiot then

2018-12-04 02:28:05 UTC  


2018-12-04 02:28:15 UTC  

Genocide is generally frowned upon.

2018-12-04 02:28:20 UTC  

because the wholesale extermination of a people is idiotic

2018-12-04 02:28:27 UTC  


2018-12-04 02:28:29 UTC  

Well, not *necessarily*.

2018-12-04 02:28:31 UTC  

But usually.

2018-12-04 02:28:34 UTC  

other than feelings?

2018-12-04 02:28:55 UTC

2018-12-04 02:29:05 UTC  

I mean self determination states that all peoples have the right to choose how to govern themselves; and thus how can we deny the Jews the right to have a state? I don’t necessarily think that Isreal’s current location was a bad place to start one either, as Palestine has been usually sparsely populated for much of its history after the Jewish exodus. I think the biggest issue was the conflict over Jerusalem itself, that in retrospect probably should have been left to a international/co-faith administration

2018-12-04 02:29:25 UTC  

>I want a moral and historical basis for my government yeeting a demographic for people who want them dead anyway
>this couldn't possibly backfire

2018-12-04 02:30:00 UTC  

Though the Arab invasion threw that out the window