Message from Dusty Morgan in Subverse #general


2018-12-04 02:46:40 UTC  

Yeah but Iran came to have this new common western name under the Pahlavis that turned it into a secular trade empire

2018-12-04 02:47:04 UTC  

And they are not that any more

2018-12-04 02:47:15 UTC  

Modern Iran is *far* from secular. As theistic of a state as they come.

2018-12-04 02:47:49 UTC  

Ofc; were talking about the last Imperial Iranian dysnatyv

2018-12-04 02:47:49 UTC  

Did you just badmouth the feudal Christians and then link a picture of Charles II?

2018-12-04 02:48:14 UTC  

I myself am not too fond of secularism and prefer a pluralist state over a secular, theistic, or atheistic one.

2018-12-04 02:48:20 UTC  

This is some awesome stuff

2018-12-04 02:48:42 UTC  

It is now hate speech to criticize the government

2018-12-04 02:49:02 UTC  

Ironically the “oppressive” Pahalavis were one of the most secular states in the Middle East

2018-12-04 02:49:09 UTC  

Lol its 1984ism

2018-12-04 02:49:09 UTC  

You know... I saw that coming Zuihou.

2018-12-04 02:49:47 UTC  

A state is better off maintaining a religious stance while allowing the existence of any and all other religions that share the same fundamental values.

2018-12-04 02:49:57 UTC  

If they can criminalize hate speech, what is stopping them from making the government a protected class.

2018-12-04 02:50:00 UTC  

If I remember correctly the Mohammad Reza Shah even gave the population dividends of the oil industry

2018-12-04 02:50:14 UTC  

The line between secular and pluralist is fine, and I would argue the United States is a judeo-christian pluralist state, not a secular one.

2018-12-04 02:50:22 UTC  

My elite privlidge

2018-12-04 02:50:28 UTC  

Though he was still an oppressive dictator that was heavily influenced by American oil companies

2018-12-04 02:50:37 UTC  

what does judaism have to do with the US?

2018-12-04 02:51:08 UTC  

Any ideology can become dictatorial or tyrannical if those that follow it make the mental leaps.

2018-12-04 02:51:20 UTC  

imo, the US is a christian nation

2018-12-04 02:51:47 UTC  

I would say that it is overall, but it is compatible with judaic ethics

2018-12-04 02:52:03 UTC  

The laws for both come from the same source

2018-12-04 02:52:08 UTC  

jews dont really fit in with the free speech part

2018-12-04 02:52:10 UTC  

@Dusty Morgan what about ideologies focused on decentralized power?

2018-12-04 02:52:19 UTC  

Actually United States were founded on secular ideals, but the founding fathers were Christians with a few that are Atheist.

2018-12-04 02:52:21 UTC  

Many jews believe in free speech

2018-12-04 02:52:39 UTC  

They agreed that religion when mixed with government is bad.

2018-12-04 02:52:45 UTC  

oh yeah? what about criticizing israel?

2018-12-04 02:52:51 UTC  

Separation of church and state.

2018-12-04 02:52:54 UTC  

Anarchy seems to end up being gang like in theory and practice; where they essentially kill everyone that doesn’t want anarchy

2018-12-04 02:52:56 UTC  

*“We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”*

2018-12-04 02:52:57 UTC  

Criticizing Israel is legal

2018-12-04 02:53:00 UTC  

And it devolves into Stalinism

2018-12-04 02:53:10 UTC  

Anarchy can end up with one group dominating the rest.

2018-12-04 02:53:12 UTC  

That statement to me doesn't sound like one coming from a secular state

2018-12-04 02:53:17 UTC  

yeah but jews also think its anti semitic

2018-12-04 02:53:29 UTC  

If you basically do anything to compromise anarchy, you will be punished.

2018-12-04 02:53:33 UTC  

Thinking it is anti-semitic doesn't mean it shouldnt be allowed