As people have realized they must value their life to live and that is when the contradictions begin

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self valuation implies that I see others as below me in terms of survival. I'm more of a - as long as we go at it together, we'll be together whether we're damned or not- type of person in terms of living

Except the collective has no set interests no mind of its own no feelings

i would rather fight together than alone

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I wasn't aware that life valuation is zero sum

And that makes man a sacrificial animal to any group

The devaluation of the individual inevitably leads us down the path of individual as potential sacrifice

no, but I can hope the person will have the same decency as I do for them

Id rather have a society of mutual consent not compulsion

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Dunno if its split values where i stand

I wasn't meaning to make my position sound like it's compulsory.

ya all communists

It is inevitably compulsory or the system fails

@Pondo

Except it is

People are either morally bound or by force

and if they're neither?

*survival of the fittest*

Neither what?

bound by morals or force

I they are neither they are free

*if

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free to kill and free to die

That depends

Man is free to kill but not free from the consequences

But killing is not in mans best interests

unless its a murder-suicide pact

Thats like saying a society without morality at its core foundation will die and kill rampantly

unless it's your life on the line then it's okay to kill

If a person kills someone and then offs themselves, its consequence free

No morality is a must just not in the compulsive brute that is altruism

Altruism sucks

No benefit gained from it.

let's conspire to do smth

Altruism is a lie,

people who help others aren't doing it cuz they're selfless, they do it cuz the satisfaction they feel is a better reward to them

Depends on the context