Thats because of tribal ideas

It's not *really* self valuation at that point though, is it

Selfishness has never been tried to the extent or even close to altruism

It is, just depend on how you belueve the way to value yourself is.

Of course altruism still seeking self benefit to some extent

jesus like the godfather: *i love you, but if you do fuck up, i'll kill you*

🤔

As people have realized they must value their life to live and that is when the contradictions begin

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self valuation implies that I see others as below me in terms of survival. I'm more of a - as long as we go at it together, we'll be together whether we're damned or not- type of person in terms of living

Except the collective has no set interests no mind of its own no feelings

i would rather fight together than alone

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I wasn't aware that life valuation is zero sum

And that makes man a sacrificial animal to any group

The devaluation of the individual inevitably leads us down the path of individual as potential sacrifice

no, but I can hope the person will have the same decency as I do for them

Id rather have a society of mutual consent not compulsion

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Dunno if its split values where i stand

I wasn't meaning to make my position sound like it's compulsory.

ya all communists

It is inevitably compulsory or the system fails

@Pondo

Except it is

People are either morally bound or by force

and if they're neither?

*survival of the fittest*

Neither what?

bound by morals or force

I they are neither they are free

*if

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free to kill and free to die

That depends

Man is free to kill but not free from the consequences

But killing is not in mans best interests

unless its a murder-suicide pact

Thats like saying a society without morality at its core foundation will die and kill rampantly

unless it's your life on the line then it's okay to kill