I have a lot of religion surrounding me I guess so I didn't notice

So I guess that's why Indonesia doesn't have this kind of problem in terms of SJWs.

That's fucking crazy to think about isn't it

It's like ideological compromise or something

(And also because communism is a felony here )

Its not a compromise so much as a need

People have to feel that they are part of something bigger than themselves according to the hirearchy of needs

Well you're recognizing the need via compromise

It's both

not really. When you force change at a pace faster than society can naturally accept without making an effort to mitigate what you just did you wind up with this kind of thing

Agreed

People are going to dogmatize something, it might as well be religion

@Der Kommissar so is atheism though

Forcing people to abandon religion is also morally wrong

Eh, morals

effectively

Like societies tend to get more progressive as they age, but in the last twenty or so years, it's accelerated to the point that we're making progress faster than society at large can absorb

I avoid moral arguments if necessary, those can get really abstract

so things are getting weird

like running down a steep hill at full speed

*expressing* that you're an atheist can easily bring a five-year prison term

at a certain point you're going to lose it and eat shit. Yes you're going fast and moving forward, but you also risk face planting it

@yearspastmatter but you can write one of the many religions in the id card but never attend the written religion

But yeah

But yeah, the human condition is inherently flawed, so I'd say the most effective method would be to compromize with dogmatism rather than try to eradicate it

Telling people that you're an atheist is also a felony in Indonesia

Yeah, Atheists have been fucked with a ton

but I try to avoid playing the victim card

I have morals, but I agree with you @.Not Sean . I try to steer my arguments toward the logical vs the moral

100%

Not gonna lie, I was bullied a ton for being an atheist in school

@Der Kommissar really? damn, that's messed up

but yeah, idk, trends are reversed

Seems weird that Indonesia is almost 90% Sunni but it has such a huge metal scene

now christians are getting bullied

which isnt cool

at all

I guess that's a way of rebelling without being explicit about it

Yeah man, music plays a huge role in ideological strife

@AxiomOverride yeah. It's also written in the constitution and the preface of the law to uphold a religion.

can't remember if it's the president of Indonesia or the mayor of Jakarta, but one of 'em is an outspoken metalhead