He made the case that when you try to eradicate religion from society, it comes back in manifestations you wouldn't expect. I.E. social justice. I laid in bed thinking about that for hours last night.

Hence why sjws label me a bad person for not believing the gospel

because it has the one-two punch of original sin *and* no redemption path

There is one

It is very much dogmatic and filled with people trying to get more offended more than the other nowadays.

Become intersectional

What do you guys think of that claim though?

I had this exact conversation with a group recently. The removal of religion in such a haphazard manner has left a philosophical hole in our society

Did it?

but we didn't do anything to replace it with anything good

Exactly man

so people fill it with whatever nonsense they can glom onto

Like maybe until mankind becomes evolved enough, we need religion to prevent that kind of dogmatism from manifesting in other ideologies

I have a lot of religion surrounding me I guess so I didn't notice

So I guess that's why Indonesia doesn't have this kind of problem in terms of SJWs.

That's fucking crazy to think about isn't it

It's like ideological compromise or something

(And also because communism is a felony here )

Its not a compromise so much as a need

People have to feel that they are part of something bigger than themselves according to the hirearchy of needs

Well you're recognizing the need via compromise

It's both

not really. When you force change at a pace faster than society can naturally accept without making an effort to mitigate what you just did you wind up with this kind of thing

Agreed

People are going to dogmatize something, it might as well be religion

@Der Kommissar so is atheism though

Forcing people to abandon religion is also morally wrong

Eh, morals

effectively

Like societies tend to get more progressive as they age, but in the last twenty or so years, it's accelerated to the point that we're making progress faster than society at large can absorb

I avoid moral arguments if necessary, those can get really abstract

so things are getting weird

like running down a steep hill at full speed

*expressing* that you're an atheist can easily bring a five-year prison term

at a certain point you're going to lose it and eat shit. Yes you're going fast and moving forward, but you also risk face planting it

@yearspastmatter but you can write one of the many religions in the id card but never attend the written religion

But yeah

But yeah, the human condition is inherently flawed, so I'd say the most effective method would be to compromize with dogmatism rather than try to eradicate it

Telling people that you're an atheist is also a felony in Indonesia

Yeah, Atheists have been fucked with a ton

but I try to avoid playing the victim card