@Der Kommissar so is atheism though

Forcing people to abandon religion is also morally wrong

Eh, morals

effectively

Like societies tend to get more progressive as they age, but in the last twenty or so years, it's accelerated to the point that we're making progress faster than society at large can absorb

I avoid moral arguments if necessary, those can get really abstract

so things are getting weird

like running down a steep hill at full speed

*expressing* that you're an atheist can easily bring a five-year prison term

at a certain point you're going to lose it and eat shit. Yes you're going fast and moving forward, but you also risk face planting it

@yearspastmatter but you can write one of the many religions in the id card but never attend the written religion

But yeah

But yeah, the human condition is inherently flawed, so I'd say the most effective method would be to compromize with dogmatism rather than try to eradicate it

Telling people that you're an atheist is also a felony in Indonesia

Yeah, Atheists have been fucked with a ton

but I try to avoid playing the victim card

I have morals, but I agree with you @.Not Sean . I try to steer my arguments toward the logical vs the moral

100%

Not gonna lie, I was bullied a ton for being an atheist in school

@Der Kommissar really? damn, that's messed up

but yeah, idk, trends are reversed

Seems weird that Indonesia is almost 90% Sunni but it has such a huge metal scene

now christians are getting bullied

which isnt cool

at all

I guess that's a way of rebelling without being explicit about it

Yeah man, music plays a huge role in ideological strife

@AxiomOverride yeah. It's also written in the constitution and the preface of the law to uphold a religion.

can't remember if it's the president of Indonesia or the mayor of Jakarta, but one of 'em is an outspoken metalhead

Wow

every kid with parents who watched the news never bothered me again after columbine

That's pretty sick. In my studio, I've worked with a few eastern metal bands

They love metal over there

probably unrelated

Former governor of Jakarta and current President of Indonesia

Ugh...I was almost kicked out of school after Columbine

Yeah... I got pat downs and everything

I wore eyeliner, tripp pants and trench coats even before the shooting

According to The Economist, Jokowi "has a penchant for loud rock music" and owned a bass guitar signed by Robert Trujillo of heavy metal band Metallica, that was confiscated by the anti-corruption commission, KPK.[155] He is also a fan of Lamb of God, Led Zeppelin and Napalm Death. On 2 November 2013, while he was the Governor of Jakarta, he was seen in the rock festival Rock in Solo in casual dress.[156] In November 2017, Danish Prime Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen, who was on an official visit to Jakarta, gave Jokowi a Metallica Master of Puppets vinyl box set as a diplomatic gift. It was signed by the band's drummer and co-founder, Lars Ulrich, a Danish native.[157] In accordance to his policy of transparency, Jokowi paid 11 million rupiah ($800) out of his personal funds to claim the record, which had been declared a state asset in order to avoid accusations of corruption.[158]

afterwards they called me up to the office at least once a week to ask about my psychological state

shit was annoying