Message from @AxiomOverride
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People are going to dogmatize something, it might as well be religion
@Der Kommissar so is atheism though
Forcing people to abandon religion is also morally wrong
Eh, morals
effectively
Like societies tend to get more progressive as they age, but in the last twenty or so years, it's accelerated to the point that we're making progress faster than society at large can absorb
I avoid moral arguments if necessary, those can get really abstract
so things are getting weird
like running down a steep hill at full speed
*expressing* that you're an atheist can easily bring a five-year prison term
at a certain point you're going to lose it and eat shit. Yes you're going fast and moving forward, but you also risk face planting it
@yearspastmatter but you can write one of the many religions in the id card but never attend the written religion
But yeah
But yeah, the human condition is inherently flawed, so I'd say the most effective method would be to compromize with dogmatism rather than try to eradicate it
Telling people that you're an atheist is also a felony in Indonesia
Yeah, Atheists have been fucked with a ton
but I try to avoid playing the victim card
I have morals, but I agree with you @.Not Sean . I try to steer my arguments toward the logical vs the moral
100%
Not gonna lie, I was bullied a ton for being an atheist in school
but yeah, idk, trends are reversed
Seems weird that Indonesia is almost 90% Sunni but it has such a huge metal scene
now christians are getting bullied
which isnt cool
at all
I guess that's a way of rebelling without being explicit about it
Yeah man, music plays a huge role in ideological strife
@AxiomOverride yeah. It's also written in the constitution and the preface of the law to uphold a religion.
can't remember if it's the president of Indonesia or the mayor of Jakarta, but one of 'em is an outspoken metalhead
Wow
every kid with parents who watched the news never bothered me again after columbine
That's pretty sick. In my studio, I've worked with a few eastern metal bands
They love metal over there
probably unrelated
Former governor of Jakarta and current President of Indonesia
Ugh...I was almost kicked out of school after Columbine
Yeah... I got pat downs and everything
I wore eyeliner, tripp pants and trench coats even before the shooting
According to The Economist, Jokowi "has a penchant for loud rock music" and owned a bass guitar signed by Robert Trujillo of heavy metal band Metallica, that was confiscated by the anti-corruption commission, KPK.[155] He is also a fan of Lamb of God, Led Zeppelin and Napalm Death. On 2 November 2013, while he was the Governor of Jakarta, he was seen in the rock festival Rock in Solo in casual dress.[156] In November 2017, Danish Prime Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen, who was on an official visit to Jakarta, gave Jokowi a Metallica Master of Puppets vinyl box set as a diplomatic gift. It was signed by the band's drummer and co-founder, Lars Ulrich, a Danish native.[157] In accordance to his policy of transparency, Jokowi paid 11 million rupiah ($800) out of his personal funds to claim the record, which had been declared a state asset in order to avoid accusations of corruption.[158]
afterwards they called me up to the office at least once a week to ask about my psychological state