Inb4 crusades

Now, present an argument

wouldnt surprise me tbh

holy jihads

Bro justify the crusades

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Its not like it was warranted already

Well you are obfuscating the point you made originally since it's intellectually bankrupt that no form of morality is valid without religion. I am showing the morality of your holybook. "17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." Your religions calls for genocide , rape and child murder

So what?

good rebuttal

in fact it is lol

My religion calls for genocide, ok, and? What grants you the moral authority to judge genocide if your moral compass is arbitrary and subjective

Because i can justify that genocide the same way, "it was arbitrary and subjective, just as your moral evaluation of it is right now"

Reason gives me that judgement

What reasons

If its reason then provide a deductive argument

Instead of acting like its assumed

inb4 we would be extinct if we didnt do that

I can say gathering sticks on the Sabbath does not cause an offense to anyone. So it would not justify stoning a man to death. Morality based on reason like what the founding fathers asserted

Why should "offense" be the standard which transfers an action from an amoral one, to an immoral/moral one?

lol

Don't remember saying a joke, answer the question

Is this Humes is vs ought?

Hell femoids

No?

I never even indicated that its the is/ought lol

I'm asking why should that be the standard which makes something moral/immoral

Reason

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I have answered you

What reason

What reason concludes that offense is the standard which makes something moral/immoral

Present it

Who gave you that reason??

didnt this start as le state should be the church debate

Nature enabled are brains to grow large enough to have reason

Literally irrelevant lmao

I have a shrine to the governer of Massachusetts in my workspace

reason is defined as adequate correspondence between premises and conclusions in philosophy, what does the origin of reason have anything to do with your reason concluding that offense is a standard by which we should judge actions?

Turkey also had a secular constitution

???