Message from @Europa

Discord ID: 310990264640602113


2017-05-08 04:00:32 UTC  

good and evil are subjective abstracts constructed at the dawn of consciousness, and will never be capable of inherent objectiveness in the future due to the creation of morality and what has been "decided" by man to be right and wrong

2017-05-08 04:01:32 UTC  

that is incorrect

2017-05-08 04:01:34 UTC  

That's why I purposefully said God and evil. That means if it is not God nor one with God it is evil.

2017-05-08 04:02:13 UTC  

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2017-05-08 04:02:16 UTC  

you cannot prove "God" is not an idea created by man, nor can you deny it

2017-05-08 04:02:27 UTC  

your correct

2017-05-08 04:02:38 UTC  

belief in religion is through faith

2017-05-08 04:02:59 UTC  

however morality isnt

2017-05-08 04:03:02 UTC  

That is true. But, I have my other thoughts on religion compared to the average.

2017-05-08 04:03:02 UTC  

A society should have social norms, these norms are typically enforced by some amount of social oppression, for example the reason a brother and sister don't get married is everyone will look at them like their odd, which by all standards of normality they are. In my humble opinion the basis for these norms should be what is best for society, not some relativistic nonsense, for example I see obesity, addiction, homosexuality, pedophilia, pornography, lack of self sufficiency, and incest as degenerate, causes of problems.

Now, I will not say for one second I am a perfect man without any degeneracy however, at least I own my vices and accept the oppression that I deserve, unlike the people who say I'm a pedophile not a monster (I'm not a pedophile, this is an example).

The PC culture that I indulge in I won't say is better however, I will say it is fundamentally different, I do not care if someone gets their feeling hurts if it is for the greater good and the maintenance of that good.

2017-05-08 04:03:17 UTC  

belief is trusting another person's word, and nothing else

2017-05-08 04:03:17 UTC  

morality can be objective

2017-05-08 04:03:32 UTC  

M

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2017-05-08 04:03:45 UTC  

no bite size chews for u

2017-05-08 04:03:48 UTC  

morality cannot be objective

2017-05-08 04:03:50 UTC  

For all we know we are hallucinating this world and no one we talk to or are around is actually there.

2017-05-08 04:03:59 UTC  

morality can be objective

2017-05-08 04:04:04 UTC  

prove it

2017-05-08 04:04:07 UTC  

in what is good for society

2017-05-08 04:04:16 UTC  

subjective

2017-05-08 04:04:17 UTC  

We can't disproven it either

2017-05-08 04:04:25 UTC  

killing a man creates fear in the community

2017-05-08 04:04:36 UTC  

fear is subjective

2017-05-08 04:04:36 UTC  

stealing from a man creates fear

2017-05-08 04:04:43 UTC  

it creates distrust

2017-05-08 04:04:44 UTC  

not fear

2017-05-08 04:04:47 UTC  

i mispoke

2017-05-08 04:04:55 UTC  

trust is subjective

2017-05-08 04:05:06 UTC  

everything about life is subjective

2017-05-08 04:05:21 UTC  

the argument that something is subjective is ludicrous

2017-05-08 04:05:23 UTC  

therefor morality is incapable of being objective

2017-05-08 04:05:33 UTC  

We each have a set of morals and values we chose to accept and live by. Some are accepted by most. Others by a select few.

2017-05-08 04:05:36 UTC  

yet people make moral arguments

2017-05-08 04:05:37 UTC  

This world may be real it may not be

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2017-05-08 04:05:56 UTC  

mfw, also on LSD

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2017-05-08 04:06:00 UTC  

because there is moral understanding that has been developed in the west

2017-05-08 04:06:08 UTC  

subjective

2017-05-08 04:06:16 UTC  

ok its subjective

2017-05-08 04:06:23 UTC  

im not arguing it isnt

2017-05-08 04:06:38 UTC  

but that still doesnt make it incorrect

2017-05-08 04:06:47 UTC  

nor does it make it correct